Step Up Transformers….Are they Worth the Trouble?


Some of you may aware of my Garrard 301 project, it’s now very close to completion. The plinth finally shipped from Hungry after 3 months of long wait.

Given my last experience with Hana Umami Red, I would like to take things to the next level. Which brings me to mating low output cart with a SUT. Every review I’ve read so far suggests when the SUT-MC match is right, the end result is heavenly. The bass is right, the midrange is clear, and most importantly, the highs are relaxed and extended—not rolled off.

I am not saying you can’t get great sound without a SUT but it appears with a properly matched SUT, sound can be quite magical.

Thought this would be the right time to get input from experienced users here since I am still contemplating my cartridge and outboard phonostage options.

My preference would be to go with a tube phono…I kinda miss tinkering with tubes :-)

My system, Garrard 301 (fully refurbished), Reed 3P tonearm, Accuphase E-650 with built-in AD50 analog board ➡️ Tannoy Canterbury’s.

Cart and phono under consideration through my dealer,

Fuuga - Output : 0.35 mVrms | Impedance : 2.5 Ω (1kHz)

Phonostage - Tron Convergence and Konus Audio Phono Series 1000

The cart - MC combination, I am lusting after is Etsuro Urushi Bordeaux MC with their Etsuro Transformer.
https://www.etsurojapan.com/product/bordeaux

The other transformer is EMIA, cooper or silver version.

Your input is appreciated!

128x128lalitk

@psf4972 Your Statement " One example worked well in my set-up: wiring tonearm cable direct to valve phono board, bypassing RCA plug, socket, and wire, resulted in notably more dynamic sound"

is one I fully get the attraction to, it is a idea discussed with Tonearm Designer / Builder who are friends. Recent experiences had and the impression made strongly suggested this type of Signal Path Interface was worthy of consideration.

I have also been following Covid successful in encouraging a Catt' Technician to bypass the Cart's Lead Out Pins and offer a Continuous Wand Wire from the Cart's Coils or a alternate interface for the Wand Wire Cart' Coils, if convenience of use wins over.

Is it excessive as a method, this depends if one wants Gold Plated Brass Pins as the Signal Path Interface from Cart' Coils / Wand Wire. 

Due to War Zones and Sanctions this design is on hold until the World shows more kindness towards each other. 

In relation to AVC or TVC, the ones I have experienced have added a Richness of Tone, but no where near as a impression certain experienced Valve Pre's have been able to present. 

My AVC is out on loan with other owned VC's to a EE producing a 3 Watt Output Amp', there use of the AVC has been able to substantially alter my assessments made in the past. The 3 Watt Amp' has created a Head Scratching / Chin Rubbing response, I am rethinking everything I have learnt about an Amp's influence on an End Sound.

@lalitk if the Valve Phonostage is selected, with a Valve Input / Output - MM only  Design, you will be adopting  Phon' Type that I use, which has been a Bespoke Build and in the end Voiced to my own preference for the End Sound.

Note: With such a design there is so much more available through Tube Rolling, this simplistic method to create option for the Circuit and Signal Path is for myself extremely attractive.

Fortunately, it took a lot less exposure to Valves as it did SUT's to find my keeper Valves.

Note: Such a suggestion to go Valve > SUT in the assessment of some, will no longer suggest your plan is a Step Backwards, more likely be a suggestion that you are not an Audiophile but just another Stupid OP based on voiced choices being considered/made. 

Great discussion above my pay grade since I'll likely keep using MM carts most of my life now that I stream music about 80% of the time, but I wanted to mention that in May, Steve Gutenberg went down the rabbit hole of getting out some of his vintage SUTs and comparing them to his "reference" Parasound phono stage. The results were interesting to say the least, mirroring some of your experiences. 
HOW TO get the BEST SOUND from MC CARTRIDGES! - YouTube

Problem is that the Parasound does not qualify as a “reference”, certainly not as a high gain phono stage. A classic “straw man” situation. My advice is keep an open mind, experiment as much as you can afford, then do what you like. Verbal arguments are worthless in this case.

...several of us in reality can't appreciate the real MUSIC and almost all go for what they like no matter what...

You know, if you follow that argument to it's conclusion you can see we should all listen to our music through equipment that we do not like. I am familiar enough with live music, especially opera, that I know what I experience at home is going to be somewhat different to the real thing. And if it isn't going to be the same, at least it should be pleasing to me. I'm not going to apologise for taking that stance: I listen for pleasure and I'll maximise that pleasure if I can.

+1, @lewm @dogberry

Keeping an open mind and experimenting is the key to ‘sound’ you prefer. There isn’t anything more gratifying than that!

You know what they say…All roads lead to Rome!