Step Up Transformers….Are they Worth the Trouble?

No additional loading plugs needed as per Dave.

go with what Dave recommends 

I have the silver chosen based on what I read, and very happy with it, but not any direct comparison with the copper.

@herman 

I did opt for 1st stage Transformer Upgrade to Pure Silver Winding. So I will get a taste of Silver characteristics with H-6500 phono. 

I have recently purchased a Ned Clayton 1254 4 SUT and for about $600 +/- is outstanding. I find it more revealing than my Bob's device at double the price and it has nice, deep bass with clear highs. I am using a VPI Signature through the Ned's device with a Ortofon Bronze Cadenza cartridge through a MICHI X5 MM input. The 4 way adjustments on the Ned's device provide the Cinemag 1254's with a lot of breathing room and really are great quality.

I also have a Rega FONO MC that is attached to a Planar 8 and a Ania Pro Cart and it's decent stage that makes the Rega Asia Pro sing well but I don't find it as open as the Ned SUT. 

@mervo

Thank you for sharing your experience with NC’s SUT. One question, did you receive any consultation from Ned prior to ordering the SUT. How was your buying experience with Ned...I noticed buying options are available through ebay only.

@lalitk I am not familiar with the Phon' or SUT in use, but I do know the enjoyment to be had entertaining oneself trying out the extent of Permutations that can be created for the Vinyl Signal Path. 

I wish you the best for the next period of your Vinyl Endeavours. 

@lewm Not too long ago, I made known I have been very impressed with the experience had from being demo'd the Paradise Phonostage.

For my bringing the Paradise into the arena of discussion and for referencing the the Builder of 40+ Models choosing a particular RIAA (0.3dB) if remembered correctly. I was subjected to the usual ugliness of written stuff by one forum member at the least. When the Builder referenced the dB i reported on they did claim "this is the value the end user is selecting" ??, food for thought, or all owner / users are no better than Stupid DJ's - not my words ??  

As a show of my not caring about these types of individuals who spiel their ills onto the niceness of a friendly forum, ( I was always advised to Punch the Bully on the nose, rightly or wrongly). I am to continue making a reference to the Paradise, as it is extremely good VFM and will impress many many who encounter it. My own experiences of it in use strongly suggests, especially if individuals are expressing an interest in Branded Phon's up to £10Kish in Value. 

The following info, which is extracted from another forum where the Paradise is under discussion by a few Builders.

Two UK Based Paradise Builders are discussing their builds, One Builder is the above referred to and the other is the producer of a Two Box Model I have also been able to be demo'd and impressed by on the £200K System, where Bake Off's has occurred. These Two Phon's got into the End of Day Line Up to be compared to the Premises Resident Phon' all comers if proven by selection are compared to. 

As your earlier inquiry remains unanswered, this following info might help with some of the info that has been of interest to you.

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Both SPICE simulation and I have reverse RIAA generator and Bruel & Kjaer signal generator plus widerange AC millivoltmeter.
I only simulated it for the Paradise but it can be done more accurately in simulation than in real life as a perfect reverse RIAA generator can be used virtually which is built with +/- 0.00000% accurate parts. This can then allow you to design RIAA networks of extreme accuracy which will be limited only by the tolerance of the real components.
When I design and build phono stages I use the reverse RIAA generator to check the actual response as a "reality check". With many designs the topology is such that if the simulation says the RIAA is spot on then it will be in reality but it can be useful to check that eg the 1% parts used really live up to that spec and that nothing has drifted.
In some designs the accuracy of the RIAA can be affected by the topology and the parts used, I'm mainly thinking of various simple valve phono stages here in which the sample of a particular valve used and how worn it is can all effect the RIAA accuracy.... Not all valve phono stages are affected by this but many of the simpler and more popular ones are.

I've found values to get it within 0.02dB if anyone wants to try it.

Change: 73.5K to 72K, 9K1 to 9K8, 33.3nF to 32.7nF and 11nF to 11.1nF. Leave the 220R shorted or remove and place wire link in. I believe it's generally shorted by most users and if not then it causes a further kick up in HF above about 18KHz....

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