Refurbished / Re-tipped Cartridges - Are they worth Buying?


My thoughts around rebuilt carts, do they convey the same characteristics as the original designer envisioned and intended . Even with full restoration like new cantilever, stylus and suspension repair etc; much of the original design attributes are gone and you are now listening to the works of an individual who have pride themselves as rebuilt wizard.  

No disrespect intended for the folks in rebuilding business as I honestly believe they are incredibly talented to rebuild such a fine instrument. 

What are your thoughts, would you buy a completely rebuilt cart vs a slightly used cartridge….after all you’re mostly paying for brand pedigree, its signature sound and exotic materials to make such a fine product. 

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OP states:

"much of the original design attributes are gone" 

Results vary...  I have had 4 identical cartridges retipped by the same vendor. Three sounded great, one sounded so-so...

Why?   All carts were UPGRADED to a better cantilever and stylus-shape.  The three 'good' carts were produced distinctly better SQ, the fourth cart did not.  Why?  I look at it under a strong lens, and the stylus was attached with too much glue.

Give upgrades a try, and work with your vendor to ensure the process is acceptable.

+1 dinov 

@cey 

Appreciate the list of reliable vendors, will keep this info for future reference. 

@inagroove 

Agreed, results of rebuild may vary and glad to hear your experience were positive. 

Inagroove, you have some expertise that allows you to judge the proper amount of glue used to fasten a stylus to a cantilever? Did you also look at zenith angle, when you examined that cartridge under magnification? You might be right about the glue, but it also could be something else.

Jonathan Carr (Lyra) who is regarded here as a major guru, wrote on this forum that it is wise to replace like with like, when it comes to cantilever and stylus, if you want to preserve the SQ of a cartridge. Because the other structural and functional elements of the cartridge were chosen with the OEM cantilever and stylus in mind. Thus, an “upgrade” may not necessarily be in the up direction. 

I guess you are talking about MC carts, as replacement stylus in MM carts are a non-issue, IMHO. I had my SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC* rebuilt by SoundSmith after a mishap, and I have zero issues with that.

With antique carts, I would rather consider them display items. 

Re slightly used, Audible Elegance just posted a video on used carts and strongly advises against them. Particularly the degrading suspension is an issue, and not perfectly aligned, partially worn stylus can damage records.

to lewm

Thanks for the questions...

YES, in this instance I do have the capacity to just the proper amount of glue that should be used. 

I have working in science for over 40 years, including microscopy. Under magnification, 3 of the 4 styluses were attached to their carts with ~ same small amount of glue (only a slight amount was visible), while the 4th cart had a GLOB OF HARD GLUE protruding and obscuring the stylus.  It was clear that the glue was interfering with tracking. Zenith angle was irrelevant due to this issue.

No disrespect to Johnathan Carr, but my direct-experience upgrading lower-priced cartridges (not Lyra's forte), is VERY beneficial.  If anyone wants to try my 'upgrades', the styluses were upgraded from spherical to micro-line stylus, and the cantilever was upgraded from aluminum to boron.  The work was done by SoundSmith.  I am 75% happy with the results (3 of 4).  Was it worth the cost?  I was willing to send four used carts, so Yes.