Anyone notice different amounts of surface noise with different arms?


Using the same cartridge, I just went from an SME 3012R to a Bokrand AB309 and while the Bokrand is no doubt a better sounding arm in my system, I’m definitely hearing more surface noise. Records are cleaned with a Degritter so it’s not dirt... but the arm picks up more of the noise from my older records.

dhcod

@dhcod It seem you do not understand that the audio memory of humans is extremely short and severely subject to conformation bias. Differences of defects have to become very obvious obvious. Under blinded conditions most "extreme improvements" can not be reliably identified. I can drop 3 kHz 6 dB with a Q of 1 and you would never be able to tell the difference. At 12 dB q 1 an experienced would notice it immediately. The best listeners know what they want to hear. Most of us have no idea exactly what it is they want to hear because they never measure their system. Do you have a measurement microphone? Most audiophiles have never heard state of the art imaging because so few systems perform at that level and you can not know what SOTA imaging is until you have heard it. Fortunately, spatial cues are much easier to remember.  

@rauliruegas Raul, passive subwoofers and electrostatic speakers are totally analog. Do you know what raw digital sounds like? You ever heard a fax signal on a telephone? 

I can go back and forth between analog and 24/192 and nobody blinded could ever tell the difference and I do mean nobody. You have obviously no experience with the power of digital signal processing and don't say you do because I know for a fact you do not. Because I can correct room issues and differences between the channels my imaging is vastly superior to anything you have heard. Digital crossovers are more accurate with less distortion than any analog two way crossover. Because I use subwoofers I can adjust the bass any way I want without affecting the performance of the rest of the system. I have the most accurate. lifelike bass you have ever heard. Nobody has subwoofers like mine. 

If you think your system is great, I can make it greater and I mean so much greater blinding would be unnecessary. Differences between cartridges would pale in comparison.  My wife could instantly tell the difference.  Disagree all you want, but I would love to be able to prove that to you. I just digitized a system around Magico S7s and JL Audio subwoofers. The owner's jaw dropped and eyes went wide when he heard it for the first time. He has a Basis Debut turntable with a Graham arm and a zillion records. He will never use a purely analog system again. 

mijostyn

It seem you do not understand ... You have obviously no experience with the power of digital signal processing and don't say you do because I know for a fact you do not ... I have the most accurate. lifelike bass you have ever heard. Nobody has subwoofers like mine. If you think your system is great, I can make it greater and I mean so much greater blinding would be unnecessary.

@richardbrand Yes, you can see it on my system page.

@rauliruegas, @dhcod ​​@cleeds  I just finished up on gammaman's system. Perhaps he will comment.

@mijostyn Just gibberish. You have ears. I have ears. They are just different ears. For me, you can measure to your head spins but I listen to the best digital and I love it for about 20 minutes but then my ears hurt and I can't go on and then I listen to analog and I want to listen all night, the answer is easy. This isn't just me. I have a whole group of friends with great systems that all were able to pinpoint digital fatigue, some earlier than the other. Again, just a group of people that have a preference. Other people have the opposite preference. No absolutes. Stop with the abosolutes.

@mijostyn : You are sin of absolutism that has no sense to almost other gentlemans but you and in this regards I agree with @dhcod .

 

Come on, of course that the subs/EL are analog but proccessing a developed digital signal .

Mike, you can’t win all the " battles ", specially in a way subjective audio world where does not exist an equilibrium on subjectivity and objectivity.. You know that normally I’m with you in several objective issues but not in this one and no I have nothing in my system as your digital whole proccessor .

 

R.