The Shure V15 V with a Jico SAS/B stylus VS The Soundsmith Hyperion MR and Lyra Atlas SL


On a sentimental lark I purchased two Shure V15 V bodies and one SAS/B stylus. I was always a realistic about the Shure's potential. Was comparing it to $10k+ cartridges fair? Absolutely. The Shure was considered to be one of the best cartridges of the day. Why not compare it to a few of the best we have today?

The Shure has always been considered to be unfailingly neutral. Famous recording engineers have said it sounded most like their master tapes. I do not have an original stylus for the Shure and I can not say that the Jico performs as well. 

My initial evaluation was quite positive. It worked wonderfully well in the Shroder CB. With a light mounting plate and small counterbalance weight a resonance point of 8 hz was easily achieved. There was nothing blatantly wrong with the sound. There was no mistracking at 1.2 grams. You can see pictures of all these styluses here https://imgur.com/gallery/stylus-photomicrographs-51n5VF9 

After listening to a bunch of favorite evaluation records my impression was that the Shure sounded on the thin side, lacking in the utmost dynamic impact with just a touch of harshness. I listened to the Shure only for four weeks as my MC phono stage had taken a trip back to the factory. I was using the MM phono stage in the DEQX Pre 8, designed by Dynavector. I have used it with a step up transformer and know it performs well. I got my MC stage back last week and cycled through my other cartridges then back to the Shure. The Soundsmith and Lyra are much more alike than different. I could easily not be able to tell which one was playing. The Lyra is the slightest touch darker. The Shure is a great value....for $480 in today's money, but it can not hold a candle to the other cartridges. They are more dynamic, smoother and quieter. They are more like my high resolution digital files. Whether or not they are $10,000 better is a personal issue. Did the DEQX's phono stage contribute to this lopsided result? Only to a small degree if any. I do have two Shure bodies and they both sound exactly the same. The Shure may have done better with a stock stylus. I do not think the age of the bodies contributes to this result at all. 

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Mijostyn, Since this is your thread, I hope it’s OK to go off-topic to ask why and wherefore you burnt out audio transformers on your Sound Labs, unless you are referring to the experiment "we" did with Plitron toroidals to replace the OEM treble transformers (which are also toroids). I am still ecstatic, not to say electro-ecstatic, every time I listen to my Sound Labs sans the internal passive crossover and using the full range Australian-made EI transformer in parallel with the OEM Sound Lab bass transformer. Just divine.

Was it some mischief with your equalizer, again, that blew an audio transformer?

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@lewm Long story. My new processor has a 4 way crossover. I decided to try bi amping the transformers. Roger suggested a crossover point at 500 Hz. I used the MA2s to drive the bass transformers and a Bricasti M25 to drive the treble transformers with a 150 watt 1 ohm resistor on each primary leg. The only parts of the original back plate left were the bias supply and the output junction box. It sounded fabulous at lower levels. At higher levels the M 25's protection would shut it off and worse the MA2s were clipping prematurely. The clipping burned out first one then the other bass transformer at $450 a pop. When the second one blew, knowing that the stock treble toroids do poorly below 300 Hz, I mounted up those Vanderveen 1:75 Toriods I bought a long time ago and ran them full range or rather down to 100 Hz where I crossed to my subwoofers and they sounded glorious! The only remaining problem was not enough gain. The stock toroid uses a ratio of 1:92. Nobody currently makes a 1:100 ESL step up transformer. I ordered four 1:50 Vanderveen toroids and strapped two for each channel. The primaries are wired in parallel with a series 1 ohm resistor on each leg and the secondaries in series with the junction as the center tap. Meeno had the factory (Trafco) make them for me without the usual center taps. The High end rolls off a little earlier, 14 kHz instead of 15 kHz, but I can not hear the difference. And the sound is pristine. Would it sound any better than what you are doing? I think so, but can't be sure and 4 of these transformers is $850. 

You don’t need the one ohm resistor with the MA2. Its intrinsic output impedance is protective. Anyway you’ve corroborated my thesis that the passive crossover between bass and treble transformers in the stock configuration is an evil if using a tube amp especially. I’m glad you’re happy although sorry about the blown transformers.

@lewm The 1 ohm resistors are for the Bricasti M 28 mono blocks I am trying out. Their output impedance is something like 0.02 ohms. The MA2s will not oscillate but they do not care for load impedances below 2 ohms either. They actually play loader with the 1 ohm resistors in place! Right now I am going back and forth between the amps deciding which ones I am going to keep. It was a circuitous path, but with a very happy if expensive ending.