The Shure V15 V with a Jico SAS/B stylus VS The Soundsmith Hyperion MR and Lyra Atlas SL


On a sentimental lark I purchased two Shure V15 V bodies and one SAS/B stylus. I was always a realistic about the Shure's potential. Was comparing it to $10k+ cartridges fair? Absolutely. The Shure was considered to be one of the best cartridges of the day. Why not compare it to a few of the best we have today?

The Shure has always been considered to be unfailingly neutral. Famous recording engineers have said it sounded most like their master tapes. I do not have an original stylus for the Shure and I can not say that the Jico performs as well. 

My initial evaluation was quite positive. It worked wonderfully well in the Shroder CB. With a light mounting plate and small counterbalance weight a resonance point of 8 hz was easily achieved. There was nothing blatantly wrong with the sound. There was no mistracking at 1.2 grams. You can see pictures of all these styluses here https://imgur.com/gallery/stylus-photomicrographs-51n5VF9 

After listening to a bunch of favorite evaluation records my impression was that the Shure sounded on the thin side, lacking in the utmost dynamic impact with just a touch of harshness. I listened to the Shure only for four weeks as my MC phono stage had taken a trip back to the factory. I was using the MM phono stage in the DEQX Pre 8, designed by Dynavector. I have used it with a step up transformer and know it performs well. I got my MC stage back last week and cycled through my other cartridges then back to the Shure. The Soundsmith and Lyra are much more alike than different. I could easily not be able to tell which one was playing. The Lyra is the slightest touch darker. The Shure is a great value....for $480 in today's money, but it can not hold a candle to the other cartridges. They are more dynamic, smoother and quieter. They are more like my high resolution digital files. Whether or not they are $10,000 better is a personal issue. Did the DEQX's phono stage contribute to this lopsided result? Only to a small degree if any. I do have two Shure bodies and they both sound exactly the same. The Shure may have done better with a stock stylus. I do not think the age of the bodies contributes to this result at all. 

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The most important point for me as a result of the recent Posts, is that a Speaker that is not fat off 70 Years being entered into the Market Place has serious support for it's Capabilities.

I often find 57's for sale in the UK, where a Pair can range between £300 - £1000

Most will be offered to be listened to under the guise they are quiet when charged.

The Last Pair I bought was not the prettiest, but were quiet and cost £120. There were the Donor Models referred to.

In my own home the Family call them the Wash Boards, fortunately I have my own Laundry Room cheeky  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

    

Dear @richardbrand   : " My Velodyne 18" subwoofer is ..."

 

Wel, you can be sure that 2 subs always is better than only one listening at the prefered seat position.

 

I own Velodyne too but with better wooferbuild material: pulp/paper.

 

R.

 

@mijostyn   : Velodyne comes with the high-pass filter as the one that use richard.

 

R.

Ah, so much to take in.  Yes, my Velodyne has stereo high pass digital filters which is how I relieve my Krell / Quad ESL-63 / ESL-2905 of having to play low bass.  It is also old enough to have a pulp/paper cone but if the servo mechanism is good enough, who cares?  The only things stopping me adding more are: the cost; the space; the fragility of my home; the fragility of my partner; the neighbours and ROI.

The original Quad ESL is often known as the ... ESL.  But it is totally different in concept, design and implementation to the later Quad ESLs which have factory designation not less than 63.

The original ESL, aka ESL-57, uses a curved panel (much later this was apparently "invented" by Sound labs) to give an approximation of a line-source, albeit horizontal.  Like modern stadium systems, these can be stacked vertically.  Stadium so-called line source systems are curved in the vertical dimension to get them to emulate a point source!  It is of course rather hard to bend a flat panel in two dimensions simultaneously.

The ESL-63 and later models use fancy electrics and shaped electrodes to get a truly flat panel to emulate a point source.  It makes no sense at all to stack them, nor to remove the electrics which are their unique raison d'etre in my opinion.