The Shure V15 V with a Jico SAS/B stylus VS The Soundsmith Hyperion MR and Lyra Atlas SL


On a sentimental lark I purchased two Shure V15 V bodies and one SAS/B stylus. I was always a realistic about the Shure's potential. Was comparing it to $10k+ cartridges fair? Absolutely. The Shure was considered to be one of the best cartridges of the day. Why not compare it to a few of the best we have today?

The Shure has always been considered to be unfailingly neutral. Famous recording engineers have said it sounded most like their master tapes. I do not have an original stylus for the Shure and I can not say that the Jico performs as well. 

My initial evaluation was quite positive. It worked wonderfully well in the Shroder CB. With a light mounting plate and small counterbalance weight a resonance point of 8 hz was easily achieved. There was nothing blatantly wrong with the sound. There was no mistracking at 1.2 grams. You can see pictures of all these styluses here https://imgur.com/gallery/stylus-photomicrographs-51n5VF9 

After listening to a bunch of favorite evaluation records my impression was that the Shure sounded on the thin side, lacking in the utmost dynamic impact with just a touch of harshness. I listened to the Shure only for four weeks as my MC phono stage had taken a trip back to the factory. I was using the MM phono stage in the DEQX Pre 8, designed by Dynavector. I have used it with a step up transformer and know it performs well. I got my MC stage back last week and cycled through my other cartridges then back to the Shure. The Soundsmith and Lyra are much more alike than different. I could easily not be able to tell which one was playing. The Lyra is the slightest touch darker. The Shure is a great value....for $480 in today's money, but it can not hold a candle to the other cartridges. They are more dynamic, smoother and quieter. They are more like my high resolution digital files. Whether or not they are $10,000 better is a personal issue. Did the DEQX's phono stage contribute to this lopsided result? Only to a small degree if any. I do have two Shure bodies and they both sound exactly the same. The Shure may have done better with a stock stylus. I do not think the age of the bodies contributes to this result at all. 

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Dear @mijostyn :I listened the Triolon Excalibur in a home system in Houston and as you posted the Acapella are something to listen it yes very expensive:

 

Size (H/W/D) 230/150/130 cm
efficiency 100 dB/1W/1m
resilience 100 W; pulse 1000 W (10 ms)
Required amplifier power from 15 W sine/4 Ohm
Weight 650 to 750 kg per system
room size from 40 m²
Price

from 500,000 Euros

 

R.

 

 

Dear @bdp24   : As you low coloration is too apririty for  me but even live MUSIC has natural colorations and it can't avoid it.

But that was not my point why I posted about " horns " ( and there are horns and horns not all are Klpish or the like ) but something that is near to the Live MUSIC:

Immediacy and things are that horn has it as no other type of speaker driver. Colorations culprit ( if any ) comes by manufacturer design. Audio is not perfect but you needs to have the Acapella experience.

 

R.

@mijostyn 

"Do you realize that you have just noted that every great speaker designer is absurd, that the laws of acoustics are flawed. Don't listen to me. Get The Loudspeaker Handbook by John Eargle. It is written in terms most lay people can understand. Learn what you are talking about before you spew out ridiculous concepts. The British don't like music? I think you need to listen to V.W.'s The Lark Ascending"

Sir Thomas Beecham is a far greater authority than me, and I suspect, even you!  It was his quote.  If it were mine, I might substitute audiophile for British!

I have many copies of The Lark Ascending, and one of my favourite flicks is the Australian "The Year My Voice Broke" which uses it poignantly, and has just been reissued.  Vaughan Williams could write almost anything, from his Fantasy on a Theme of Thomas Tallis to his sixth symphony, which is exactly my age.  The latter opens with shattering intensity, swerves into jazz rhythms, and ends like Holtz' The Planets.

I note with some disappointment that you choose to criticise the person, rather than debate the specific technical points I raised.  For example, what is your answer to the complete cancellation of two drivers half a wavelength apart, which you claim act as one drive?  This is pure physics, simple to understand by anybody who knows what a sine wave is.

Of course, this really is a problem with almost all speaker designs, so not too many want to talk about it.

@lewm 

No, not if it emulates a point source!  But it is a problem for pseudo line sources.  I am not stupid enough to believe that any claimed line source really is one!