SR Tuning Discs, Psychoacoustic Bias and Listening Fatigue


By the way the SR Tuning Discs are snake oil. They don’t make a damned bit of difference. Careful about psychoacoustic bias. Fresher ears hear small differences greater than fatigued ears. At first listen, again A-B ing instantaneously with streamer cable plus Disc against exact same master and material on CD player transport digitally into same Bryston DAC, the two sources about 5 seconds apart to hear “phrase” of that duration in instant back to back repetition, I THOUGHT I heard a shocking large difference. But it was the first listen of the day. Then removed Disc from cable and did same thing. A LITTLE less dramatic difference. Ok. Then put Disc back onto cable. About the SAME as last. Hmmm. Then repeated this whole process about 6 more times to be sure. Then left room for hour. Came back in and did test once WITHOUT Disc. BIG DIFFERENCE. Like first test of the day with Disc ON cable. 

CONCLUSION :  THE DIFFERENCES I HEARD WHICH I INITIALLY ATTRIBUTED TO THE SR TUNING DISCS WERE PSYCHOACOUSTIC AND LISTENING FATIGUE BIAS. SYNERGISTIC RESEARCH TUNING DISCS MAKE ZERO DIFFERENCE. 

But that’s my opinion. You can take it with a grain of salt if you so desire. 

tlcocks

@wesheadley You seem to be conflating three distinct points. First, unconventional tweaks or other system components not grounded in scientific theory or results are likely bogus. I disagree on two counts. First, the world is a mysterious place and science understands very little of it. Second, much scientific theory is stimulated by anomalous empirical discoveries, and we may soon find scientific studies exploring and confirming some of the observations we make as devotees of our hobby.

Your second point is that my experiences with group listening sessions is contaminated by group bias or group think. I can’t deny that completely. Peer pressure is real and it is potent! What’s worse is it becomes more important as the conversation progresses. Inevitably, opinions tend to blend. But, we are not a mob; we are a group of informed and interested individuals with our own expectations and opinions. There always is a variety of observations and conclusions. The group bias is not nearly as powerful as you envision.

Your third point, that the costs of some improvements in product categories are overpriced by the companies that offer them in the market, is noncontroversial to me; though, i’m sympathetic and somewhat receptive to the argument that those costs often go into research and development that benefits the entire audiophile community in the long run. I’m making no accusations here, but I feel compelled to add that I don’t see the value in denigrating someone who chooses to spend their money for marginal improvements in their sound. I feel such criticism is both crass and disrespectful.

My solution:

Do not buy anything...

Learn basic acoustics...

Be inspired by "tweaks" sellers but instead of buying, design your own...

If i  could everyone can...

 

Discussions about snake oil or biases are endless deadend...

Be creative and BEFORE buying upgrade tweak , experiment ...

 

The greatest joy is enjoying something you create yourself, not something you paid for .

 

@hce1 - I never intended to denigrate anyone with my criticisms, and looking at what I wrote, I can't see where I did that. I know for a fact that some cable companies are in fact making obscene margins with very questionable product claims. This is not research that trickles down either. Each unproven claim is based upon (as a rule) an untested theory. This is no different than pointing out that the electronic devices used to find spirits or ghosts, don't. Despite the belief by the many people that buy them to the contrary.

I'm sorry you find my criticisms crass and disrespectful. They aren't intended that way. Is this AG forum only for "true believers"? I think there is room for a more skeptical POV in the mix. It's not negative. It is anything but. I believe that people who haven't formed an opinion on this thing or that in this hobby deserve to hear more than just one side of a claim about "tweaks" -- many of which do work and make a real difference (system by system, room by room).

Just because you saw it does not make it real. Just because you heard it does not make it real. That is freedom. That IS open-minded.