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Single ended = large images?

I'm thinking about trying single ended amps. Years ago for a short time I had Cary 805b monos. I absolutely loved everything about the sound, except that they made all the images very large... Which for me took away from the realism. 

 

Do all the Cary 805 models do this? Not sure if the 211 option on the anniversary edition might be different? I saw a comment by Dennis had that the large image size was intentional and an artifact of zero feedback. 

 

If that's just the way the cary amps are, are there other brands of relatively high power single-ended amps that might not present images in a large and upfront manner? My main speakers are Verity Audio Parsifal, which are only 89 DB efficient. I also have a six pack of REL G2 subwoofers. I want to preserve as much dynamics as possible while moving to single ended, which is why the cary amps are attractive to me... Meaty transformers and a fair amount of power. My room is 15x29 and I listen moderately loudly but not very loudly. Mix of jazz, blues, rock and classical piano.

 

I appreciate any thoughts and any recommendations of other brands that might do what I'm looking for -- that single ended magic without giant forward images. Pricewise I'm looking in the $4k to $7k range used.

 

Thanks

montaldo
steakster
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OP: I read your post about staying the course for now - with some tube-rolling.

Just wish to toss out another possibility. The imagery in my system tightened-up noticeably when I implemented a grounding system. I use the Synergistic Research tech since the grounding methodology is integrated into my SR cabling. Other companies offer their own versions, such as: Shunyata Altaira - and Puritan Audio Groundmaster & Puritan Audio Route Master.

Another inexpensive way to experiment with grounding is this device - which I also use.

Curiously, I discovered that grounding will also reveal any noise that might be in the system. In other words, if music sounds worse with grounding, then there’s a dirty power issue lurking somewhere that needs to be addressed.

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atmasphere
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Re: 6C33C tube.   Years ago, I owned these Artemis monoblocks. Depending on the bias setting, the 6C33C tubes lasted somewhere around 2000 hours or so. I used to buy them in bulk @ 20 tubes/order - directly from Russia or Ukraine. Now with the war, the prices have skyrocketed. And they’re no longer manufactured.

@steakster The 6C33 went out of production about 25 years ago and the sole factory demolished so they will never be produced again.

 

kennyc
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I’m wondering if the OP’s forward sounding is the related/same as SET midrange emphasis?  

sounds_real_audio
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I would simply go with  300B amplifier, save the Brain damage....find the speakers that sing to you. I have had extensive experience with single ended and would totally recommend the Sophia Electric. You will find they know what their purpose is. make music...proportional in the proper position and allow you to access the music.....not your system, the music..

montaldo OP
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Kenny_c: I don't think that's it... I've always considered mid-range my priority and I love tube amps because they get the mid-range right. I just remember comparing Carrie 805 to my VTL amps at the time, and the Cary images a little forward and large. Dennis had seems to have acknowledged this was intentional. 

Sounds_real_audio: I actually love my verity parsifal speakers. I'm very happy with the sound of my system right now but I'm just looking for a way to make it better (the sickness). I think a return to the 300B amps, wish I know I love, is worth a shot. I may trade a bit of macro dynamics for mid textures and magic.

Thanks

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