First impressions of new MH-DA006, Musetec flagship


I have received the 006 almost a week ago and have been breaking it in. The price at Shenzhenaudio is $3,900.00 USD, $600 more than the 005. The ad copy states:

"DA006 is a new generation of flagship DAC developed by Musetec over three years and launched in 2024. During this period, it has undergone more than ten revisions and adjustments.

Compared to the previous DA005, the listening experience of DA006 has been improved in all aspects. DA006 has clearer and richer details, a stronger sense of texture, a more stable sound base, better detail control, a wider soundstage, fuller and more powerful, smoother and more natural. . ."

Some brief listening during break in has been very very positive. I will report back when it has run at least 300 hours.

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@catastrofe

The answer is that for most people USB is good enough.  It also easily allows people to use their laptops directly into a DAC and a conveniently long cord.  Their streamer and file storage are already at hand.  We used to put a filter on the line and call it a day.  And if you can make USB work as well or better than the alternatives, that's great.

For the great majority that do not use USB out to their DAC, they use a device with spdif, which is very closely related to I2S.  The great majority of all the RPi hat devices output spdif.  Some reviewers, Hans Beekhuyzen for one, says that for him I2S and spdif or AES/EBU (that is similar to spdif) are virtually indistinguishable coming from the same streamer.  And the spdif cable can be conveniently long.  The highest performing streamer he and a lot of other people have ever used is the Grimm Audio MU1.  It has no I2S output, but only spdif and AES/EBU.

I don't see any reason to have USB in the mix if it avoidable.  Going from ethernet to I2S is such a clear path.  And so too it would seem, based on what hardware is available, going from ethernet to spdif-AES/EBU as the next best thing.  No need for what we used to call USB decrapification.

I'm not stating an overarching disparagement of usb, in many cases usb may outperform I2S, I keep on reiterating my experience with Singxer SU6 vs usb. I will continue to affirm what I believe to be inherent advantage of dedicated lines for data and clock, and no need to convert from usb to native I2S within dac. Does it seem reasonable to believe extracting data and clock streams from one cable is an advantage, same with detour through usb boards. With I2S one is simply supplying isolated and dedicated clock and data streams directly into native I2S path of dac.

 Now I agree the downside of I2S is the cable, however, I'm reasoning the superiority of the clock in Gaia over 006 clock supersedes or overrides the downside of clock being further away and having to travel through short cable to I2S stream inside dac. Superior sound quality I'm getting via I2S is provides evidence for this.

 

As for choices made by manufacturers in regard to interfaces, plenty of dacs provide I2S inputs including Rockna, Mola Mola Tambaqui, PS Audio, most of the Chifi, and some others I've seen listed on forum. More at issue here is the failure of streamer manufacturers to provide I2S outputs. With so few streamers offering this output easy to understand why dacs wouldn't provide for it. Now, as to why streamers don't offer it, here is how I see it. Virtually all off the shelf computer motherboards (which is what all streamers are) have usb capability on board. These boards were originally developed for general purpose, only in relatively recent years have they become optimized solely for audio. We also have follow the leader syndrome, usb became the de facto interface because it was no hassle   to integrate, integrating I2S requires more work, another signal path, clock and power supply. I also agree it can sound fine since so many years and so many manufacturers working on optimizing it. I've used many usb optimizing solutions over the years, each subsequent solution bettering the previous. If I hadn't purchased  Laiv Harmony with the specific intention of trying I2S with it I wouldn't have even bothered with I2S to 006.

 

As to doing away with a DDC altogether, I have option of installing Pink Faun I2S board in my custom build streamer, I'd power via my Uptone JS 2 choke based lps. In going this direction I'd completely eliminate my Sonore OpticalModule, OpticalRendu (no more optical network conversion and total elimination of usb, AQ Diamond usb cable, lps, AC cables, DC cables). Question becomes does less become more?

 

Finally, based on reviews of the world class streamers and dacs, I have no doubt the proprietary interfaces they use are superior to both usb and I2S. Still, the native signal path within dacs remains I2S so the ultimate solution is to provide a superior clock and power supply for that clock within the dac. As for the streamer I haven't researched these proprietary interfaces enough to know exactly what they do, however, it seems reasonable to believe they provide dedicated runs for clock and data, I can't imagine mixing up data and clock on a single cable is the optimal solution.

Almost forgot. Experiential evidence is an extremely valid form of evidence. For those disparaging I2S via DDC don't just assume or presume this is inferior interface, provide some real world experience via comparative analysis of optimized I2S vs whatever usb setup you're presently using. I'm simply reporting on what I hear in my setup, not trying to sell anyone on anything, I have no skin in this game.

@sns 

I completely agree regarding experiential evidence and I have no skin in the game either.

I do think it's important to clarify that experiential evidence is only valid for the specific use case involved. That includes power, cabling, room interactions, etc. While I2S or OCXO clocks may provide a perceived benefit over USB in a specific setup, changing a single part of that equation may invalidate the benefit. 

Regarding the "best" manufacturers not adopting I2S; the point is that if one format was inherently or demonstrably better than an other, the best of the best would have adopted it. Rather, some of them specifically state that I2S is a flawed format for digital audio transmission. 

 

@melm 

I have never seen anything equivocating SPDIF and I2S...I don't believe they're "closely related" at all...a primary/significant difference being that I2S is synchronous while SPDIF is asynchronous. Your observation regarding the Grimm MU-1 supports the point I'm making...the protocol itself, whether it's USB, I2S, SPDIF, etc. isn't the singular determining factor in audio quality. Assuming sound engineering and quality components, implementation is the overarching determiner of good sound.

 

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...laugh