Subwoofers - Final Thoughts with Martin Logan ESL 13A

@joeyfed55 I was trying to keep away from RELs but I'm glad you are happy! $7800 subs with $12000 speakers, big investment!

@hedwigstheme I was thinking the other way around 3 - 4 KEFs but not sure how the Swarm would integrate with the ESLs. 

@audphile1 Hey, nice to hear from ya, hope all is well! I have tried numerous ways to tweak the bass on the MLs. From the Perfect Bass Kit, to the dials on the back. I am not savvy enough (yet) to make adjusts with the ARC Genesis software, but I did send the files into a tech at Paradigm/Anthem AV support for them to tweak and I just can't seem to get it right. Yes, I have had subwoofers before and had trouble integrating them, but I thought I'd give it on last ditch attempt as I feel something is missing here.

I had ML Spires in the past, with only one 10" woofer and it had more bass than the 11As with two 10" woofers, didn't need subs.

Hey @navyachts all good here! Hope you’re doing well!

I never felt the need for subs with the ML Montis. I’m surprised to hear your setup is lacking in bass department.

It’s possible you’re sitting in a null. That’s the only thing I can think of.
I would recommend trying to move closer to and then further away from the speakers while playing a test track that is known for good bass. See if you hit a spot where the bass response becomes acceptable. One other thing to try is to move the speakers. Further or closer to the front wall. Make small adjustments 1” at a time. But try the listening position first.

A Synergistic Research Black Box works well with my 13a speakers.

Much discussed topic on MartinLogan Audio Owner’s Forum…

@audphile1 appreciate the advice. I will try and play around a bit this weekend there just isn’t a lot of room to move stuff. It’s a very small space.

@sgordon1 - thanks, I was unaware, I will check it out.