Discerning a difference between streamers is difficult...only me or common for all?


I have struggled to appreciate the upgrade to the streamer in my system. A couple years ago I had an Audio Research DAC 8 being fed by a Bluesound Node 2i. I picked up an Aurender N10 and did not appreciate anything so sold the N10. I tried a couple all-in-one units. First was the Aurender A20 and I was happy but curious about dCS. I got a Bartok 2.0 and felt the music was more natural sounding from the Bartok and sold the A20. I have always wanted the Audio Research DAC 9 to match all my other AR gear so got one that showed up on eBay a couple weeks ago. Since I couldn’t use the Bartok to stream I ordered a new Bluesound Node Nano so I could utilize the DAC 9 immediately. The pair sounded wonderful but I did not compare it to the Bartok. I ended up getting a quick buyer and it was already gone. The following week I purchase an Aurender W20. I was prepared to have my mind blown....but no. Some albums I could not tell any difference in the sound and others I think the W20 sounded slightly better but again...nothing huge. For the money and the space the W20 took on my shelf, I sold it. Over the years I always appreciate upgrades for all other components. This makes me feel like I am losing my mind. Have any others experienced this regarding streamers? I want to try more. Auralic and Lumin are on my list.

Thanks,

Dana

dhite71

@asctim 

"If the server software or the cables are delivering the digital file information to the dac in a different enough way to make the DAC sound different, then some or all of them aren’t working correctly. Or the DAC isn’t working correctly. Or none of them are working correctly. Or there’s some incompatibility. Or they’re creating different sounds on purpose through processing."

Well, that's the million-dollar question, isn't it? ;-)  In the analog realm, audiophiles spend tens of thousands of dollars on turntables, cartridges, tonearms, preamps, etc etc, all seeking "ideal" sound, when all we really should be worried about is hearing the darn record, right?  I mean, "grooves are grooves," right?  Is one person's system "broken" because it sounds different from another person's system?  Of course, in the analog realm it's generally accepted that various "macro" mechanisms will affect the transfer of sound waves from the grooves to the speakers.  When it comes to digital, there's a stubborn belief that "bits are bits."  But a lot of people would argue that the "micro" mechanisms involved in *how* those bits get turned into music make just as much of a difference.  An OS that uses a different kernel or tweaks the operation of the CPU or system clocking devices appears to have an effect on the end result.  Is that "processing," or just an attempt to improve the quality of not only the digital-to-analog conversion process, but the way the information is shuttled from one device to another?  Is it "processing" to upsample or change filter parameters to bypass a DAC's internal filters?  No one seems to dispute that in purely analog systems, there are many ways to skin a cat, so to speak. ;-)  When it comes to the digital world and it's less-readily observable processes, suddenly "bits are bits" and if one algorithm sounds different from another, it's "broken." ;-)

@dogearedaudio add to everything you mentioned the differences in clocks between different streamers.

In the OP’s example an ARC DAC 8 was used with 2 streamers - BS Node and Aurender N10. To the best of my knowledge the DAC 8 isn’t compatible with the Linux based Aurender N10 so that takes using USB out.

We’re now comparing N10 vs BS Node driving DAC8 via SPDIF coax cable. In this case, the Aurender’s superior OCXO clock is being leveraged. BS Node clock is nowhere nearly as good. This alone would make a pretty big difference. But the OP doesn’t hear enough to appreciate the change. Add to this the Aurender signal processing that caches the data onto the internal drive. This results in much cleaner data feed to the DAC. Compared to BS Node that uses small buffer area.
Another key difference between the two streamers.

Same applies to using DAC 9 now when comparing the next level up BS to Aurender W20

And the outcome is the cached digital files clocked by the super precise OCXO in the Aurender didn’t sound any different than the buffered data stream out of BS Node? Or the difference was so subtle that it wasn’t enough to appreciate?

I’m not going to call 🐂 💩 but I will question this.

The best streamer I ever had for SQ was the Bryston BDP-3.  Unfortunately the software management system was unusable.

  My current streamers are Melco N100 and CA CXN 100.  The difference between them and the BDP3 is very slight.   All three sound worlds better than the Bluesound Node

@mahler123

+1 ,,, big time.

I too dumped by BRYSTON BDP1USB and BDA2 stablemates, because of BRYSTON’s Jurassic era utility and infuriating “Manic Mooss ’ digital interface, As @mahler123 has pointed out….its a must to avoid.

I I upgraded to a MOON 280D MiND2 network player/ streamer/ DAC that is flawless at its pricepoint.and a step-up in audio performance from the BRYSTON pair that was not insignificant.