Received my Denafrips Venus 15th

The Venus 15th is extremely smooth. Notsure if it would change the sound but It maybe a time for a DDC if I2S will bring a little more from the combination.
Maybe a better streamer as I am using  a Wiim Pro. It would be hard to give up the ease of Wiims software.

I inserted an Iris DDC before my Musician Pegasus R2R DAC mainly to take advantage of the i2S connection and the improvement was much more than I expected and on the order of a significant DAC upgrade.  Maybe @vthokie83 will chime in as he also uses an Iris with his Pontus so may be an even more useful reference point.  I’d advise buying a used DDC (that’s what I did) so if it doesn’t transform your DAC you can just sell it — thinking a Hermes would be a great choice.  
 

This site is littered with experienced people who’ve upgraded from budget streamers to more accomplished models and are very happy they did, so while I’m sure the Wiim sounds very good for the $ there’s much more to be had and I’d certainly budget for an upgrade there in the future.  Everything in the streaming chain matters, and matters A LOT!  Just my$0.02 FWIW, and best of luck.  

@fthompson251 You might have mentioned this in other post but I couldn't find it.  What other DAC's have you had and how does the new terminator compare?  Is it warm neutral or analytical.

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You are in slightly different territory right now than my and Soix experience, as your Venus 15th DAC already uses the high end OCXO (oven controlled crystal oscillator), and Fred's Terminator 15th uses dual OCXOs. So if you were to add a DDC, it would have to be the Denafrips Hermes or Gaia so you don't downgrade the clock.

Typically (though not always) the DDC sets the clock, and the DAC is the slave to that clock when using I2S. With USB and the other connections, the DAC clock is most frequently used.....in my experience (and a bunch of others), I2S is by far the superior connection. I've found the same in other systems that I've helped friends set up.....using various Denafrips DDCs. The more expensive the streamer, there is possibly less of a need for a DDC; possibly.

Part of the reason that the Pontus is improved with the Iris, as the Iris has a TCXO (temperature compensated crystal oscillator) which is an upgrade from the Pontus' standard FEMTO clock (short for Femtosecond, or one quadrillionth of a second). standard FEMTO clocks are not temperature or oven controlled, so their accuracy varies with temperature changes. The clock upgrade however is only part of the advantages of a DDC.....the Denafrips Iris ONLY has USB inputs; no AES, RCA or optical SPDIF, the Gaia and Hermes allow for those.

The other advantages of a DDC are: isolates the input signal (USB, AES/EBU, RCA or optical SPDIF), converts the signal from digital to analog, filters the signal both galvanically (magnetic) and optically, and re-clocks it with the superior crystal.

Digital devices use I2S internally to transmit data, using I2S to transmit from the DDC to the DAC allows for one less conversion.

If it were me (and I will be upgrading soon), I'd buy an Innuous/Lumin/Aurender/Grimm/etc high end dedicated streamer and see where you land. With one of these high end streamers, you may find you do not need a DDC......and you can always add one later if you wish.

@brbrock  I've owned the Denafrips Venus II before the Terminator 15th for 3 years. My Legacy  Wavelet II also has an internal DAC. I have become accustomed to the R2R sound in comparison and prefer it. I wanted to take advantage of the clock sync feature between my Hermes that I had already mated to the Venus II via I2s before. The Terminator 15th was an easy choice and end game DAC for me. I now have it mated to the Hermes and the BNC Clock cables for the clock sync.

Thanks everyone for your excellent advice. I really appreciate you taking the time to write out your suggestions and comments. I think I like the idea of adding better streamer first. I see Innuous does both does Qobuz and Deezer which are 2 of my music services. Is there any streamers that would also include Amazon HD on addition to the other two?