Audio Cables: All the Same?


My patience has worn thin reading numerous postings by individuals who proclaim that anyone who spends more than, say, $30 on a cable is an “audiophool” and that the manufacturers who sell cables priced above that price are snake oil dealers. These people base their claims on two factors: (1) they can’t hear the difference between a cheap cable and an extremely expensive one; and (2) all cables of any quality whatsoever measure the same when tested.


I believe that these individuals have blinders on. Allow me to set forth a useful analogy – eggs Benedict. The recipe for them is simple: toast an English muffin; sauté a couple of slices of Canadian bacon; poach two eggs; and prepare Hollandaise sauce. After those ingredients are ready, put the Canadian bacon on the English muffin, stack the eggs on the bacon, pour Hollandaise sauce over the eggs (and possibly sprinkle a pinch of hot paprika over the sauce), and serve. Voila! Now, take two preparers – one of whom doesn’t give a damn how his eggs Benedict turns and tastes as long as he gets his $17.50/hour pay; and the other a supremely talented chef renowned for his exquisite preparation of egg dishes. I am willing to venture a guess that one of them will taste terrific, perhaps being the memorable highlight of a marvelous breakfast, and the other will be an awful mess, perhaps a composition of barely toasted and soggy English muffin, Canadian bacon so overcooked that the meat is like shoe leather, poached eggs like hockey pucks, and a severely curdled muck of a sauce poured over everything, followed by far too much paprika. That serving will also be memorable, but for a far different reason.


Now, here comes the chemist to test and measure both versions of eggs Benedict. He confirms that, upon his testing of the two dishes, he is able to state unequivocally that they are identical because both contain exactly the same ingredients and provide the same nutritional value. The fact that one serving is nearly inedible and the other is altogether delicious is irrelevant. After all, there is no science-based test for taste.


I propose the same is true for cables – there is no scientific test for what we hear.
Let me end my soliloquy by relating my recent experience with cables. A couple of months ago, I upgraded my digital system by acquiring a new SACD transport and a new DAC. Both components are widely considered to be extremely high end pieces of equipment (and priced stratospherically, too). At the time I did not replace the cables I had been using previously – an Audioquest Cimarron Ethernet cable between my 24 port network switch and my DAC, and Monster Cable M1000 analog interconnects between my DAC and my preamp. Frankly, I was dismayed by what I heard when I began streaming (Qobuz) music through my new DAC. The magic I had heard at its demonstration at AXPONA 2024 was non-existent. Maybe it was a bit better than my old DAC, but certainly not by much. One of the local audio dealers with whom I shared my disappointment suggested I try a really good Ethernet cable, handing me a Shunyata Sigma V2. This Shunyata cable contains two filters (one for EMI/RFI and one for common-mode interference) as well as several differentiators in how it is constructed. I really despise the expression oft-used by reviewers – “like a veil was lifted” – but that is what happened. The magic had returned. However, now I had another problem. Voices seemed to come only from a singer’s mouth and not also from the chest. With instrumentals, a certain fundamental (bass) element was missing. Overall, it was as if the entire frequency spectrum was tilted – lifting the treble and lowering the bass. I went back to this dealer. He recommended I try a pair of DH Labs Air Matrix Cryo analog interconnects between my DAC and my preamp. All I can say is “Wow!” The frequency spectrum had returned to its proper equilibrium.


I have now been using these new cables for a month. Their impacts are not the result of a placebo effect. Moreover, the last thing in the world I had wanted was to spend a couple of thousand dollars more for cables after I had already spent far more than I had planned on the SACD transport and the DAC. However, they had addressed and solved two very real problems. The Shunyata cable filtered out noise coming from the network switch; the DH Labs cable eliminated a frequency distortion inherent with the Monster Cable cable (which evidently had been masked by the predecessor DAC).


Before this experience, I had never believed that cables could be so important an element of an audio system. I always spent between $100 and $200 on them because, on the one hand I did not want to “chintz” and shortchange myself sonically, but on the other hand I was very skeptical that even spending that amount was fully money-for-incremental-value.


Since then, I tried replacing another Audioquest Cimarron Ethernet cable between my Nucleus+ and my network switch with a $500 Ethernet cable of another well-regarded cable manufacturer. I could not detect a shred of sonic difference between them. Thus, it has become clear to me that every cable implementation is unique; sometimes there is a discernable improvement provided by one over the other, and other times there isn’t.


In summary, having a preconceived notion about the value of cables (or lack thereof) disserves oneself. In some cases, but not all, there is a cable out there that will truly improve the sound of one’s audio system. It may be immeasurable, but it is, nevertheless, very real. 
 

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@gbmcleod

Totally agree with what you are saying, but you have to give more credit to more of the non-acoustic recordings for having the ability to discern sonic differences between cables (and gear). I agree it may be easier to hear differences with acoustic music, but I personally find it just as easy with some rock, pop, or even metal music. In a broad sense, the concept of difference only applies when one senses a change from what they are familiar with.

I feel like writing so here is a story, apologies in advance cheeky

I chose my Magneplanar’s almost 20 years ago based on what they sounded like with Coldplay and Rush. Going even further back than that -1988 ish? I recall my brother shopping for speakers in the $800 range (what is that, $1500 in today’s dollars?) And the particular mid-fi store I frequented to buy CD’s and records had these Mission’s we read about in a magazines. We listened to them standing up, as this "sound room" had no chairs, and they sounded just okay- when he played his favourite Queensryche Empire CD, Della Brown track, the bass wasn’t that good enough for him-it was not powerful enough.

This "sound room" had several pairs of floorstanders all side by side, on a ledge a few inches above the floor, to hide all the unsightly hundreds of feet of cheap cable attached to all the speakers. Above this ledge was another ledge with dozens of bookshelf speakers. What a great idea hey? speakers on one side of the 20’ square room, home theatre receivers on the other side, and the salesman just has to click a few buttons and demo this receiver paying that speaker, and go back and forth- nothing to move or lift, nothing to connect. Brilliant! There were 4 identical rooms like this on one end of the store, all with glass walls and a glass door on one side, so 4 different sales people could be demoing at the same time. This acoustically horrible room was probably designed by an interior designer, not an audiophile. I did say it was a "mid-fi" store.

But this was a knowledgeable salesman- he had enough knowledge to work at a high-end hi fi store downtown but told me he made more money at this store. He said "give me a minute": He dragged the speakers out of the room into the main area of the store, and went to a roll of bulk litz speaker cable and cut off about 20 feet, cut that in half, sheathed the ends, then hooked up the bare copper ends to the Missions, and the other ends to a Denon receiver he grabbed, and connected and threw our CD in a Denon CD player. Well, the bass pounded, our jaws dropped, and after 10 seconds my brother said "Ill take them!"

From your post I don’t know which point above this is, but to add to it I’ll say 3) The system and the room: I now know this as it was demonstrated way back then. Perhaps many people who can’t hear differences have their gear set up in rooms such as this, with little knowledge or thought on how this setup affects the acoustics, ie: sound. I don’t think the simple speaker cable change would have made that much of a difference in that room.

To emphasize my point- even back then, almost 40 years ago as a teenager, I found out what a difference can be had by playing speakers in a different space, with different cables, even with heavy metal music.

 

1. There is the same debate running on a local forum for more than 100 pages of posts. Fun fact: the main anti-cable guy, a mod, with more than 1 post every 10 fighting against cables, proved to have expensive cables in his system lol lol lol....

2. I ll make it even worse. 30 years ago, I was young editor in a sound magazine and started discovering the wonderful world of sound... I was just starting realizing how systems details do make a difference and I had also the chance a) to test really good equipment as part of the job b) to make friends with owners of really expensive gear. I met this guy that had invested ridiculous amount of money, starting with the 100k turntable, the big Kronzilla amps... etc... I was invited to listen and I was truly amazed and this setup was of jaw-dropping performance. I was persuaded at the time that cables do matter but I believed that other "goodies" were more or less snake oil. 

I noticed that he had the cables on special stands with spikes and I new that these were expensive, I had seen them on the vendor and I believed this was crap. So I told him, everything ok etc but these stands, come on now... you threw your money out of the window... He replies, why don't we do a blind test then... You imagine what happened... I was shocked... When removed it seems like the concrete stage was collapsing upto a point... I tested again and again because I wouldn't believe it. I asked him if i can borrow to test in my system, a modest 10k system back then compared to his... NO difference in mine... none...

3. In my tests, cables do matter and I have different results in different systems. My audio-gd DAC likes a lot my Odin cable, doesnt like much my furutech cables. My custom design DAC does not like that much Odin (very weird)... It prefers custom Neotech cable with Rhodium connectors. My final stage prefers SPM reference to odin... And yes, more expensive doesn't mean it will work. I had many times got the dissapointment getting something that is so good in papers and I disliked to my guts.

Cheers

@mclinnguy

thank you for an intelligent, considerate, response. I am sure that you are correct and that you can hear cable changes, even with pop music. I can hear them too, with all kinds of music, but well-recorded classical and jazz have more “aliveness” to them, so you can hear extremely low level noises, such as people shifting in their seats (if it’s a classical recording), scores dropping, the air conditioning in the hall, and other sounds, even trucks outside the recording the recording venue on some recordings!

I know that it’s possible to hear these things with other types of recordings, My point is that so many people can’t even identify one acoustic instrument, that sometimes when they make a comment, it’s less out of actual knowledge and more out of supposition.
As well, it’s not the people with the better systems who are complaining about the $25,000 speaker systems or the $10,000 amps. It’s the people who don’t have a lot of experience with these components, or even know what they can do, or don’t play the kind of music that displays the brilliance of a new speaker system correctly. And then they blame it on the speaker system (“I could get the same results on my $1200 speaker system“ when actually, they cannot.) instead of the recordings they use or their lack of insight/knowledge around music. They could help themselves by simply being careful listeners, not just “reactive” listeners.


You, by contrast, seem to have insight/knowledge and experience. From the time I have spent on boards (as well as what I hear from my colleagues at many of the major print magazines as well), people make statements that are absolutely ridiculous, but since many people have any knowledge of certain types of music, ignorance, frequently prevails on these forums. And I guarantee you, some of the people I know are brilliant, they design components, they’ve been in the high-end since it began 50 years ago, and they despair just as much as I do, because people use all the wrong criteria for evaluating a piece of equipment. And those of us who are older KNOW that our younger brothers and sisters were never exposed to music in high school, and don’t demonstrate any interest in acoustic instruments, Which I always find funny, because do you think the designers are designing based on ovation or Martian guitars? It’s more likely they evaluate the end results based on recordings with Bosendorfer pianos, Yamaha flutes, and other acoustic instruments.. And a friend who is 30 and in a band complains that none of his friends know what even one acoustic instrument sounds like. When he told me that the look on his face was just so disheartened.I completely understand that people can evaluate using pop, but I don’t understand people smart off at people who are more knowledgeable than they are. Actually, I do understand it, but it’s pretty screwed up that people use supposition instead of knowledge.

I trust what you’re saying implicitly and I think it’s great that you’re happy with what you’re getting out of your records on your own equipment.

@alexopth1512

Great post:

I noticed that he had the cables on special stands with spikes and I new that these were expensive, I had seen them on the vendor and I believed this was crap. So I told him, everything ok etc but these stands, come on now... you threw your money out of the window... He replies, why don’t we do a blind test then... You imagine what happened... I was shocked... When removed it seems like the concrete stage was collapsing upto a point... I tested again and again because I wouldn’t believe it. I asked him if i can borrow to test in my system, a modest 10k system back then compared to his... NO difference in mine... none...

And while I definitely hear the differences in all cables in my system; power, IC’s, and digital, and filters, and LIve Vibe stands, I have yet to hear the difference in cable lifters. I have some, just because it was easy and free, and I have read things like that, but I have yet to actually experience it. Maybe one day I will go back and forth, or buy some manufacturer’s offerings and give it a go. Thanks for sharing this.

 ...but I believed that other "goodies" were more or less snake oil. 

And that is exactly what it is with people: they believe they know, and will argue their opinion to the death based on their belief system, until the facts are proven to them. Unfortunately some never have the opportunity and will never know the truth. 

@mclinnguy 

Thanks, I played also a  little game. When I see a comment like"yeah suckers with religion in cables etc", I check the person's system and setup. You will find it very interesting.

Another thing that is funny is that most people with such criticism most probably will try to "science" me/us with "measures", physics laws etc. I am PhD Electrical Engineer with research also up to M-theory, an electronics designer and its fun because these people usually are up to college... I prefer not to walk this way, because it is really a long one... 

I remember in 4th year in Polytechnical School, we had a course for "Advanced Electronics", which was using also for example quantum mechanics with relativity. I remember that it counted more than 13 problems for electron movements in conductors, mathematics was truly advanced. I wondered back tehn, what the heck, with all this issues how the hell we say that cables are "just a means for electricity movement". 

Regarding the tests, you are very right:

- Most vendor's rooms just suck. Whenever I have tried to go for a test, I was never satisfied.

- Yes you can test with any music you like, heavy metal has one more thing to add. Many organs (real or synth) play together and multiple IMD is really taken to the edge. If you can build a system that can play heavy metal that sounds non tiring, then this is most probably a hi end system

- Big orchestras (symphonic) are big problem. Big big problem. Haven't found a single system that can play all orchestras well. 

I stop, I can continue for ever :) :)