What preamp with both line stage and phono?


I’m contemplating upgrading my preamp, it’s the earlier Shindo Monbrison version, with both a line stage and MC/MM phono for under 8-10k$ new or used. Either in one unit or separates.  I personally love the Shindo sound, it has the body, texture, sense of space to instruments that sound right to my ears vs an overly articulate presentation.   the next up Shindo preamp Masseto with a lower output impedance is no longer available .   The earlier Monbrison has a higher output impedance 5k unbalanced.  It actually works quite well with my Pass Labs x350.8  that has the newer input impedance of 50k and Maggies  20.7.  Reason for  upgrading is really curiosity, since I recently demoed the CJ 350se amp highly regarded that has a 100k input impedance.  The sound was detailed, transparent, could be aggressive depending on what was played, definitely thrilling, with more extension in the upper registers.  What was missing with the CJ  in my system was the mid range magic and weight of the Pass Labs  that I would hate to give up.  Always looking for both.  A friend has offered to let me demo his JC1+ mono that has an input impedance less than 50k.  So not sure how that will work.  I’m open to suggestions on amps but I’ve found it hard to find a power amp w/100k input impedance that’s in a similar power and price range that can bring the Maggies to life.   So the reason for exploring preamp options with a  low output impedance and a bit more transparency, extension but still has the richer overtones of tubes. some that may come to mind by VTL, CJ but I don't have any experience with either.   Thank you in advance for your thoughts and experience.

salc

If I had the (your) older MM/MC version I would want to try the later (MM only) version of the Monbrison.

Forget who reviewed it, but the gist was that it was similar with extended info @ high/low frequency extremes.

DeKay

Just about any phonolinestage, other than those Shindo units, ought to have an output impedance far lower than 5000 ohms, which is quite high.  In addition, you might consult with the manufacturer(s) of an amplifier with an input Z of less than 50K ohms, to see whether they can permit modification of the input stage to increase input Z.  Usually it only requires changing a single resistor, if the circuit permits.

I would just add that at your budget level you’re likely better off with a separate phono pre as it will likely surpass most if not all the ones included with a preamp.  It also gives you more flexibility to choose one that best matches your sonic preferences rather than just taking whatever comes with the preamp.   Just my $0.02 FWIW.