@cleeds - Most here seem to believe in having a "solid network". In my case, that was achieved by isolating my server in a separate room with my network gear, powering all of it from LPSs through a dedicated 20A line, and using fiber optical cable from the server to my streamer. While I believe all of that stuff may help with noise reduction, to the point made by @ghdprentice , improving my streamer was the one thing I can point to that made a noticeable improvement in the sound of my digital front end (before the DAC). None of the many other costly add-ons I have tried have made a reliably noticeable improvement.
Which company manufactures this Ethernet switch for the other?
I am looking to buy an "audiophile" switch to isolate my audio and video connections from the main switch in my home. One important consideration in my decision is cost; another is that this AV Ethernet switch must have 8 ports to accommodate all my audio and video equipment. I have done as much research online as I can, with the result that I found two products that especially appealing: the English Electric 8Switch and the Silent Angel Bonn N8.
Studying their constructions, features, and components, these two Ethernet switches seem so similar that with the exception of one being 10mm higher than the other (their widths and depths are the same) that these two appear to be identical.
Consequently, I am asking -- does anyone know whether Silent Angel OEMs this product from English Electric or vice versa? OR, is this just an extraordinary coincidence?
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IME it doesn’t take much to improve network but the results are very rewarding. To @ghdprentice point…yes better streamer isolates the network better. In case of Aurender the data is processed and cached onto SSD before it is sent to DAC. Which diminishes the effect of network tweaks even further. However, I will admit that I can still hear better sound with my Purist Audio CAT7 Ethernet cable than if I use LinkUp (great cable from Amazon by the way). Sound is just more detailed, resolving and more coherent with the Purist. And Purist Ethernet is not expensive at all! Point is…at least from my experience, isolation by proximity and isolation by electrical circuit is the most effective network tweak. After that a good Ethernet cable is all you need. This is within reason but if we’re talking extreme then you can try Telegartner Optical Isolator. But let’s be real - most of us can upgrade DAC or streamer and get better ROI. To each his own… |
All devices which are fed Ethernet must process the data packets and cache them into a buffer before reconstructing the data stream. The buffer acts like a solid state disk without the added complexity of file systems and disk blocks! You mention using a completely different power circuit. For most dwellings, ’completely different’ circuits are joined together at the main distribution board which is often just a few feet closer to the power station grid. They are not really separate at all. My house is fed three phases, but all the single-phase circuits are joined to the same phase. Strictly, wireless networks are not Ethernet at all. They obviously are more susceptible to interference from the plethora of other wireless transmissions and RFI. Hardwired Ethernet is less susceptible but not immune. The topography particularly when crossing mains is important. Ethernet can be made 100% reliable by detecting and retransmitting faulty or lost packets, but this is not what streaming does! Your Purist Audio Cat7 cable is built as shielded twisted pairs and many other cables are unshielded twisted pairs. The effect might be fewer corrupted packets but why this might translate into ’smooth and clean, just as the artist intended" is beyond me! Not sure what this has to do with Ethernet switches, either ... |
Any of the quality-oriented audio streaming services (Qobuz, Tidal) use TCP/IP. If you’re running ethernet from your router to your streamer, you’re getting a bit perfect signal straight from the server farm to you, @richardbrand. |
Oh dear, you are way off reality here and the key to it all is the word 'streaming'. The Internet can indeed be used to deliver bit-perfect transmission using the TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol) stack. This guarantees all packets are received and error-free even over unreliable transmission components like Ethernet. Think file transfer and downloads. However, streaming cannot afford the time to request retransmission of faulty packets. It does not use TCP and instead uses the UDP/IP (User Datagram Protocol / Internet Protocol) stack which prioritises delivery timing over accuracy. There is no guarantee that the stream of packets that arrives at your Internet gateway from Qobus or Tidal is perfect, or even complete. (You might call your gateway a modem, or router, or switch, or somesuch but it actually mediates between your Wide-Area Network and your Local Area Network). Finally, your gateway pushes the data packets over WiFi or better, Ethernet. Ethernet on its own guarantees neither delivery nor timing. You need higher level protocols like TCP to detect errors, missing packets and retransmission. UDP does not bother with these niceties. |
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