I beg to differ. I’ve actually seen a Yoruba ceremony in Salvador Da Bahia, Brazil chanted/sung in Yoruba. Not only has Yoruba made its way to Brasil but even as far away as the US. In Brazil the Yoruba religion is called Candomblé, in their native Portuguese.

And even in the US the practice of Voodoo or ’Vodou/Voudoun’ was practiced by Haitian immigrants in New Orleans, LA. Not to be confused with the silly ’TV’ Voodoo stuff.

The music played in Brazilian Yoruba ceremonies is the basis for what we know of today as ’Samba’. IMHO of course.

There is african culture in africa and in south America for sure..

This dont contradict my point at all ...

 

Yoruba talking drums is not as jazz and classical a musical language that can be universal as jazz and classical are on all earth...

This is not detrimental to yoruba talking drum music nor to raga music...

When i talk about Jazz becoming universal i talk about the way IMPROVISATION language became universal in a jazz like manner...

As Classical music became universal integrating all others musical language in his WRITING syntax...

 

By the way if you like yoruba talking drum as me i recommend to you the best book ever on theoretical acoustics by a nigerian genius which had hard time with the English academia and published his doctorate thesis at the Sorbonne...

I bought it and thanks to him i understood theoretic acoustics because no other book explain it as he did and it was confirmed this year by 2 important independant studies Dr, essien is a youruba talking drums master and the yoruba drums is at the core of his acoustics understanding :

One of the most important book i ever read but he is unknown because people take time to go out of a past 2000 years Pythagorean paradigm :

https://www.amazon.ca/Sound-Sources-Origin-Auditory-Sensations/dp/1913289540

 

Listen to this 8 minutes video about Dr. Essien a true genius who come from Africa which is his original sin ( racism exist ) . Reading his 500 pages book i knew right away he was a genius because no one was able to explain acoustics of hearing to me till i study him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-6vW8kVCO4&t=1s

 

Here are one of the 2 articles related to deep discoveries in musical perception acoustics confirming Dr. Essien right :

https://phys.org/news/2024-02-pythagoras-wrong-universal-musical-harmonies.html

Academia did not seem to has recognized Dr. Essien discoveries way before these 2 independent experiments demonstrating that his thesis is right...

Racism exist. And Conclusion :

2,000 years of an error made by Pythagoras lead acoustics theory astray...

The correction of this Greek teaching came from Nigeria. Not london, Paris or New-York...

Acoustics hearing ground theory understanding is very important for philosophy and science. fundamental.

 

This second important experimental study done independently of Dr. Essien prove Dr. Essien right about hearing acoustics fundamental theory :

Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultures

I apologize to go astray from my original thread post matter but what i suggest reading is very important news,....

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

 

Now i will link together what i said about jazz universality and classical music universality and the discovery of Dr. Essien.

 

All music is universal, in any genre from any countries by definition of this second article experiment above and by Dr. Essien great discovery...

 

Then why i spoke only about jazz universality and classical music universality ?

Is it not contradictory ?

No

Jazz is the only language becoming universal by virtue of his improvising syntax set of rules integrating all instruments and music styles slowly but surely ...

Classical European music is becoming universal by virtue of his WRITING syntax rule integrating all others world music language ...

 

All music of the world is universal in the sense of owning the potentials to be understood by all humans... Because music is a recognizing timbre/rytmic /tonal event based on mechanical invariant (Essien) affecting the human body in a similar way universally ..

It is not Pythagorean mathematics harmonies abstraction and computations that makes music universal , it is the ability by the human heart-brain-body to be affected by it in the same way all around earth ...

The sound sources vibrating communicate  qualities and information about what vibrate and his state...This is the mechanical invariant of Dr. Essien...

When a man speak to another man there is information communicating to one another about their psychological and physical states...

i will stop here ... Read the book...

 

@onhwy61: Ghost World, a favorite movie of mine! Another great scene is the one in which the young girl asks Steve Buscemi’s character if the R. Crumb album is good. "Naw, that one’s not so great." Director Terry Zwigoff and Crumb are of course close friends (Zwigoff made the Crumb documentary).

This may be a minority opinion, but as I watched Blues Hammer performing, Ten Years After came to mind.

 

As a previously frequent poster on the Jazz For Aficionados thread would often point out, (paraphrase, “just because there is improvisation doesn’t mean it is Jazz”.

Jazz and Classical music sales, as a percentage of total music sales of all genres, have seldom broken the 2% mark for quite a few decades. This does not mean that there haven’t been up-ticks in sales and general interest as is the case currently, but still in the 1.5-2% range. Data also shows that when asked, about 10-20% of respondents say that they listen to “Jazz”. Why the asterisk?

Much of the music that many listeners listen to is not Jazz in the traditional sense. It is R&B, Rock, Funk, whatever, WITH ELEMENTS OF JAZZ. Particularly in the improvisation (when it is there) which is often heavily informed harmonically by Jazz.

@tyray , I very much appreciate your enthusiasm and optimism for Jazz and its future. I share your optimism inasmuch as I believe that there will always be a small minority (2% +/-) that will buy Jazz. However and sadly, I doubt this number will ever be substantially higher than this and certainly not as it was decades ago when Jazz was the Pop music of the day. I do think that there is somewhat more interest in Jazz among young (25-45) listeners today. SOMEWHAT more, but still a very small percentage of the total number of young listeners. Your own posts prove my point, I think. What you posted as examples of “Jazz” that young people listen to and even play, I wouldn’t call Jazz at all, but more as I described above… Funk/R&B with elements of Jazz.

Here is the lineup for the 2016 NOLA Jazz Fest, aerial view of which you posted as further proof. Might explain the huge crowd, but Jazz?! I did see Wayne Shorter and Preservation Hall Jazz Band among the others listed, but still…..

https://www.al.com/entertainment/2016/01/jazz_fest_2016_stevie_wonder_p.html