ACTUAL MUSICAL SOUND VS. MEASUREMENTS


Is it just me or am I the only one that has had it with overly pushy audiophiles that push measurements as the end all be all. I’m not talking about healthy discussions on measurements but obnoxious ones that talk down to you because of the measurements of your system or equipment is not perfect for them? All cables and cords are snake oil to them if it doesn’t register on their meters? Am I the only that feels this way? 

calvinj

@calvinj 

Some live by:
“It’s/they’re wrong until proven right” or
“It’s/I’m right until proven wrong”
both based on their individual judgment often clouded by a stubbornness most often based on fear of admitting to be wrong - their linked self-esteem takes a hit.

These types of people will always be around. Recognizing them would help deal with them “objectively” which is much better than taking it personally

I believe a large majority of naysayers, many who refuse try themselves, are being stubborn to “not” spending above measurements because they don’t want to face the truth of unaffordability.  Sometimes envy morphs to anger/indignant

Like most things…there is very useful RESEARCH being done on the ear / brain… vs willy nilly measurements and silly 8 out of ten validity criteria….

The music induced goosebump hedonic treadmill can be intoxicating …my plan is to stay on it as long as possible….

Susan Rogers book is excellent….if you are open minded to art and science…

I believe measurements can be useful in making buying decisions but they certainly don’t dictate what I do. Ive bought higher-end cables, etc. that the objectivist would scoff at. With that said, this is not a one-way street. I have read quite a few vicious personal attacks made against objectivists on this site. i’ve noticed that people get very emotional about this hobby and a great number of them are intolerant of views that differ from their own.
If you think that cables, don’t make a difference, buy inexpensive cables. On the other hand, I don’t understand why the objectivists create so much anger for those who believe that cables, etc. make a difference. After all, people like amir cant dictate how you spend your money. He has an opinion. No reason to take it personally.

I think you generally get what you pay for in audio just like with most products. Those who believe differently are certainly entitled to their point of view. Why should I be offended by that? Buy what makes you happy. No reason for agitation at others who have a different point of view. This is listening to recorded music, not a Titanic struggle of good versus evil.


with that said, a good cable debate can be pretty entertaining, even though there is no chance it will add to the sum total of our knowledge on the subject

 

 

I care about measurements only to the extent it helps with matching components. As someone mentioned the ohm rating on a speaker matched to the power/current of an amp or the phono cartridge to phono amp, etc. As far as other kinds of measurements … not at all interested. I listen to the sound and music, not measurements.