If an amp has 4 ohm taps


(and I am specifically referring to a tube amp) would there be any reason to avoid speakers with a listed nominal impedance of 4 ohms?

I realize this subject has been discussed in some form before, but I cannot seem to get a tight grasp on what makes a speaker an easy or hard load to drive.  What I THINK I have gotten out of it so far is that the lowest impedance a speaker presents to the amp may be more critical than the listed sensitivity?  (And also that for best performance the tap on the amp should match the nominal impedance of the speaker.)  

So I would think that generally speaking, if one had an amp with only 8 ohm taps (which is probably includes quite a few amps) one shouldn't even consider speakers with 4 ohms listed as nominal impedance.

 Generally speaking, is a 4 ohm nominal impedance  a tougher load than an 8 ohm nominal impedance?  But if the (tube) amp has 4 ohm taps, does this mean that using those taps it should be able to deal with a speaker with a nominal impedance of 4 ohms as well as it would deal with a 8 ohm speaker using the 8 ohm taps?

And here is another discussion that I found here on A'gon, but I am not sure if it answers my question:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/amplifier-circuitry-4-ohm-vs-8-ohm

 

 

immatthewj

FWIW a 'nominal impedance load' of 4 ohms doesn't preclude the load from going lower to say 2 ohms or less at some frequencies which would require a high current amp. Most folks I think stay away from tube amps for just that reason, i.e. they don't drive low impedance loads well. Using the 4 ohm taps doesn't remedy this much if at all. Best to ID your speakers actual impedance 'curve' before you try to match your amp and speakers. Asks the manufacturer (?) or look for reviews which might have identified it.

 they don't drive low impedance loads well. Using the 4 ohm taps doesn't remedy this much if at all.

Thanks @newbee , I guess that was basically my question.

 a 'nominal impedance load' of 4 ohms doesn't preclude the load from going lower

Right.  The 4 ohm speaker I was kind of sort of looking into was the Totem Twin Tower Bison which has a listed sensitivity of 90 dB and the best I've been able to do so far on finding out how low it actually does go has been an AI answer of maybe 2.8 ohms.  

 

Impedance Curve

The link above is the only impedance curve I can find for those speakers (scroll down).

It looks like it doesn't go much below 3 ohms but it definitely not a flat curve.

My Magnepan LRS+ are 83 dB but have a relatively flat impedance curve around 3 ohms. They sound magical with my Muzishare X7 tube amp on the 4 ohm taps.

I can confirm both amps sound fantastic with my 4 ohm speakers; no idea if the tubes will last longer because of the "reduced maximum output" or if other factors are in place.

@mclinnguy There is. Its the load on the power tubes, which is transformed by the transformer to the speaker impedance. So if you cut the speaker load to 1/2 by putting a 4 Ohm load on an 8 Ohm tap, the result is the power tubes see a load that is 1.2 of what they are designed for.

This will cause increased distortion, lower power and shorter tube life. Might sound fine but it would sound better if the load on the transformer were correct.

@immatthewj If the best sound quality out of a tube amp is your goal then it is best to avoid lower impedance speakers. This is particularly true if the amp uses no feedback.

The lower impedance makes the speaker cables far more critical. They should be heavier gauge and also shorter for best results. Output transformers with a 4 Ohm tap tend to be less efficient than when they are driving 8 or 16 Ohm on the correct tap; the use of 4 Ohms can easily reduce the low frequency bandwidth by an octave. The transformer can often run warmer too and all that heat is amplifier power warming it up due to the (slightly) reduced efficiency.

All amplifiers make more distortion driving lower impedances. For this reason alone IMO 4 Ohms is a Bad Idea since keeping distortion down helps with reproducing low level detail and the like.

@immatthewj If the best sound quality out of a tube amp is your goal then it is best to avoid lower impedance speakers. This is particularly true if the amp uses no feedback.

The lower impedance makes the speaker cables far more critical. They should be heavier gauge and also shorter for best results. Output transformers with a 4 Ohm tap tend to be less efficient than when they are driving 8 or 16 Ohm on the correct tap; the use of 4 Ohms can easily reduce the low frequency bandwidth by an octave. The transformer can often run warmer too and all that heat is amplifier power warming it up due to the (slightly) reduced efficiency.

All amplifiers make more distortion driving lower impedances. For this reason alone IMO 4 Ohms is a Bad Idea since keeping distortion down helps with reproducing low level detail and the like.

Thanks for that explanation, @atmasphere . I will leave the 4 ohm Totem Bisons (Twin Towers) that I was kind of sort of looking at alone.  And that also includes the 4 ohm Totem Arro's that I found on ebay for what I was considering a price that I could afford to experiment with.