At the top of the line is it really all that different?


I'm writing about my experience with the top of the line bespoke gear. Not the insane one-of a kind that I'll never own but the really good stuff that say $50K each will buy.

I have listened to my personal favorite ARC vs. D'Agistino, vs. Bryston vs. Pass vs. the top Macs (no love lost there).  Wilson vs. Sonus, vs. Magico vs. Bryston T-10  vs. Maggies (!) vs. Perlisten. 

So many cables that I can't recall the names. 

I can tell a difference between the voicing of the products at my dealer but the difference is so subtle that in my home they are "nearly" identical. ( I know, I know but I said "nearly") 

I read reviews with all the silly superlatives that make the reviewed item sound heavenly and the "other guys" sound like the AM radio in my '67 Mustang.

I have had my ears checked and my audio sensitivity is "age appropriate" I'm 62.

I have 2 listening rooms- one is a dedicated properly treated room and one is a barn sized great room with anterooms on 3 sides. In my dedicated room I'm all alone with my music which can be really lovely but not often visited vs. the great room with my dogs, kids, and wife. I don't do critical listening there but I love full beautiful sound when the ones I love most are near. 

So, I would really appreciate thoughtful guidance to my quandary- is top end gear crowding at the top of the pyramid with very little difference? Are the glowing reviews colored or even deceptively presented?   Or maybe I'm growing weary of very little cost/benefit improvements as I climb the audio ladder .....please advise. 

 

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@ghdprentice

Nailed it ! Point, set, and match in tennis jargon.

Some drive Fords, some drive Chevys, some drive Range Rovers, Porsches, and Jags.

i mostly wear an Apple Watch on a daily basis, but still enjoy a smile of appreciation provided with my EBEL, ZENITH, or PANERAI

As you go up higher and higher in the price versus performance matrix, it’s a clear totally bespoke decision tree choice embodied best IMO by a quote :

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get,”

- Warren Buffett

Thankfully, regarding your question of which I was wondering the same thing; the answer is, wait for it... YES!

I've been playing around with my 2nd system lately. This gets a little interesting.

After the last time I listened to the rig I took out the Scott A 436 integrated to have work done on it. The next time I listened to the rig I came up with a pair of Bose Video Roommate powered speakers and tried to run the turntable through the McIntosh MR-55a tuner which has a phono stage! 

It's a mono tuner so only one RCA input for the phono. One channel was very quiet and didn't sound great. The next day I picked up a gold plated Y adapter from Auto Zone of all places! I rushed home to hear the results! I was now getting stereo into mono but it still sounded like listening to a hand held transistor radio, maybe not even that good. There was absolutely no bass. My tech confirmed my suspicion that the phono input was probably set up for 78 rpm records and stylus compliance.

A week later I got a sweet deal on a Bellari VP129 Tube Phono Preamplifier. I put it into the rig and boom! Nice stereo sound from the Bose speakers. Then I changed the 12ax7 tube, which looked stock to me, to a new Electro-Harmonix. Sonics definitely improved with the new tube.

The Bose sit top of the Infinity RS4b speakers. They're ported and have a good amount of weight to them having the size and shape of small bookshelf speakers. There is good imaging and decent sound.

The last album I listened to was PF Meddle. The next day I listened to Meddle on the main rig. It was so obvious that the main rig is worlds better sounding. The joy and relief of knowing that all the money and time is worth every note was very, very satisfying!

 

 

There are several different "top of the line" choices.  For example 89dB/watt speaker vs 99dB/watt speakers.  totally different animals with totally different amp pairings.  

another big design difference is the simple amplifier vs the complicated amplifier signal path.  

Lots of other examples.  So you have to decide which swimming pool you want to swim in before you compare "top of the line".

Jerry

I have been in this hobby for over thirty years and I am happy to report that the best, most involving, musical systems have NOT been the highest priced. Too many audiophiles get caught up in the "if it costs more it has to be better" mentality. It’s all about how your components match with each other (and trusting your ears wink). From my experience, there is no reason to spend more than 15-25k on an entire system. The most important things I do are make sure a new component, cable, etc., introduced in my system is truly better sounding than what I am replacing. The second thing I have found is that keeping your contacts clean is a must. Sound in a system degrades over time if you don’t clean them. I have found that not all cleaners are equal either. I have found that Kontak does the best job (no, I don’t work for them or get anything for promoting it). I have found that my system sound starts going south after about two to three months, and that’s when I clean. Lastly, make sure your acoustics are taken care of. You don’t want an echo chamber but you also don’t want to overdo it to the point that your system has no life. If you haven’t gone to one of the audio shows, do yourself a favor. It’s one of the best ways to confirm what I am talking about. I never walk away from an audio show wishing I could own any of the many cost-no-object components/systems. But I ALWAYS walk away wanting to buy a reasonably priced component that produced some of the best sound at the show (regardless of price).