12au7 tube?


Looking for a good 12au7 (JJ ecc802s currently). I know the Telefunken ECC802s is the holy grail, but it comes at a price that is just too steep for me to justify. Many will recommend Mullard, but I always find them a bit too "wooly", lacking in definition. They're going in a Mastersound 845 Compact.

 

What tubes would you recommend that fits between the clarity of the Telefunken (without the price...) and the Mullard? I don't mind spending a bit of money on a pair (let's say max $500 for the pair, prefer to be lower if at all possible).

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Most of my audio friends have collected way more stuff than what they need. I think this is something pandemic to this hobby and it happens over time the longer someone stays in it. My close friend has more than 15 of the best and sought after tube testers. Tons of other stuff like over 30 Guitars cause he’s a musician also. Reason why I got so many 12au7’s was in the beginning of me entering this hobby, my main pre for almost 10 yrs used only that type tube in the linestage. And back then, (over 30 yrs ago) we didn’t have so many various cables to tweak the sound as we have today. So tube rolling was a big thing then. Today there are additional options like trying different cables that do practically the same thing more or less. I use both options when I’m able. 

Tube rolling seems to be the correct way to begin fine tuning the sound. Cables and power cords should come next, I would think.

I know that a lot of the older 12au7’s can sound very different. Some I’ve found to be very bright, other thin sounding. Others too soft, others lacking in the highs, other with too much highs or lacking in deep bass etc.  So I’ve heard many different sounds from vintage 12au7’s but what I like about them above current production is that I feel vintage tubes are more transparent and flesh out and breathe the music through better. I will say I’ve heard some vintage tubes that have been veiled and aren’t so transparent and not as good as I expected and don’t like them but I will honestly say I haven’t ever heard a new or current production tube sound better, in terms of transparency and fleshing out the musicality better than some of the well respected and reputable vintage 12au7’s.  I think the only way we will see some current production tubes outperforming these classic vintage tubes will be if a company takes on the process of building high quality tubes as they did years ago. And as we see that happening today, those tubes from these companies usually cost $$$.  My friend paid a couple of thousand of dollars for a pair of Elrog 300b tubes.