The Audio Science Review (ASR) approach to reviewing wines.


Imagine doing a wine review as follows - samples of wines are assessed by a reviewer who measures multiple variables including light transmission, specific gravity, residual sugar, salinity, boiling point etc.  These tests are repeated while playing test tones through the samples at different frequencies.

The results are compiled and the winner selected based on those measurements and the reviewer concludes that the other wines can't possibly be as good based on their measured results.  

At no point does the reviewer assess the bouquet of the wine nor taste it.  He relies on the science of measured results and not the decidedly unscientific subjective experience of smell and taste.

That is the ASR approach to audio - drinking Kool Aid, not wine.

toronto416

@toronto416

samples of wines are assessed by a reviewer who measures multiple variables including light transmission, specific gravity, residual sugar, salinity, boiling point etc.

I have had the good fortune to work professionally with wineries and know a few wine/grape experts, including one whose family has a California winery. I have visited many and been on behind the scenes tours with wine makers and other professionals. What you describe is EXACTLY how wines are grown and made. The poetry about the nose and the personality and the terroir enter in the tasting and marketing phase. There is art but there is a very firm foundation of science. That is one of the reasons cheap wines these days are much, much better than they used to be.

I think your analogy is a good one. The serious hifi designers and builders I know of design, build and test with measurements. They listen too. The poetry here also comes with the marketing and promotion part of the business.

The one segment of hifi I wonder about is cables. It is possible that is all done with subjective judgement.

ASR is a good reference and a useful service. Stereophile has the best approach to reviewing in my opinion. I like the poetry but pure subjectivity without at least an attempt to tie it to verifiable fact is useless to me.

A good friend is an audio junky and also in the retail wine biz. I can attest selling wine is a LOT like selling hifi. There are always customers who think the higher price wine is always the best, and they won't settle for anything less :-)

Colour, specific gravity, (residual sugar, salinity), boiling point of wine is like physical aspects of equipment in audio industry Eg size of drivers, cabinet crossover...(specification) 

Instrumental Analysis is of audio equipment ASR is doing in wine analogy using chromatography to list % of ingredients in the wine viz flavinoids, ethy alchohol and byproduct alcohols. Upon this data one can derive how particular wine can taste like.

Audio industry need both Analytical and critical listening.

Not no mention People by Audio equipment only after long listening at their Home.not based on review of any kind.

 

I really don't understand so much bashing of ASR.  To the best of my knowledge, ASR is unbiased (it does not accept advertising) and provides accurate measurements.  Measurements provide information -- clearly not all the information one might desire, but information that is potentially useful.  Some equipment receives a positive recommendation; other equipment receives a negative recommendation.  Compare this with Stereophile and The Absolute Sound, which are driven by advertising; indeed, it is common for the review of a piece of equipment to appear in the same issue as an advertisement for that equipment.  And I have yet to see a negative review of any equipment.  

Why are so many "audiophiles" so obsessed with that site? Measurements make a difference but shouldn't be the only thing one uses to determine what to buy. 

I'd rather go by measurements than all the subjectivity that many (most) so-called audiophiles use to determine what sounds good and what doesn't.