The Audio Science Review (ASR) approach to reviewing wines.


Imagine doing a wine review as follows - samples of wines are assessed by a reviewer who measures multiple variables including light transmission, specific gravity, residual sugar, salinity, boiling point etc.  These tests are repeated while playing test tones through the samples at different frequencies.

The results are compiled and the winner selected based on those measurements and the reviewer concludes that the other wines can't possibly be as good based on their measured results.  

At no point does the reviewer assess the bouquet of the wine nor taste it.  He relies on the science of measured results and not the decidedly unscientific subjective experience of smell and taste.

That is the ASR approach to audio - drinking Kool Aid, not wine.

toronto416

I really don't understand so much bashing of ASR.  To the best of my knowledge, ASR is unbiased (it does not accept advertising) and provides accurate measurements.  Measurements provide information -- clearly not all the information one might desire, but information that is potentially useful.  Some equipment receives a positive recommendation; other equipment receives a negative recommendation.  Compare this with Stereophile and The Absolute Sound, which are driven by advertising; indeed, it is common for the review of a piece of equipment to appear in the same issue as an advertisement for that equipment.  And I have yet to see a negative review of any equipment.  

Why are so many "audiophiles" so obsessed with that site? Measurements make a difference but shouldn't be the only thing one uses to determine what to buy. 

I'd rather go by measurements than all the subjectivity that many (most) so-called audiophiles use to determine what sounds good and what doesn't. 

Both subject and objective are important.  Too many extreme opinions in both this forum and ASR.  Cults are bad.

Some interesting ASR reviews and tid-bits but that's where it ends. 

I really don't like the condecending attitude. A rather grumpy group of 'know it alls' looking to show their superiority to the crowd. Your 'opinion' is NOT welcome and they will tell you exactly that in rather nasty fashion.

 

I'm not an ASR disciple, I've invested in some cables and don't believe measurements tell the whole story, but measurements at a minimum seem to add useful context. I don't buy into Amir's philosophy by any means, but his posts here have been civil, at least the ones I've read. Certainly more civil than many of the responses he gets. Amir, Gene and the other "objectivists" add useful information, but not the last word as their more pedantic followers assert.  

The ones I don't respect are the reviewers who say that measurements don't matter and blind tests are invalid. One suspects that the most important characteristic of a product for them is that they received a free copy to review.

Lastly, I don't know about the wine analogy-I'm in the middle of bourbon country and that process is filled with chemistry and measurements. The difference is that if you have a set of cheap, poorly made speakers, the third song you hear through them will sound as bad as the first. On the other hand, as you get past the third glass of Kentucky Gentleman, it will taste more and more like Pappy. Burn in, I suppose.