The Audio Science Review (ASR) approach to reviewing wines.


Imagine doing a wine review as follows - samples of wines are assessed by a reviewer who measures multiple variables including light transmission, specific gravity, residual sugar, salinity, boiling point etc.  These tests are repeated while playing test tones through the samples at different frequencies.

The results are compiled and the winner selected based on those measurements and the reviewer concludes that the other wines can't possibly be as good based on their measured results.  

At no point does the reviewer assess the bouquet of the wine nor taste it.  He relies on the science of measured results and not the decidedly unscientific subjective experience of smell and taste.

That is the ASR approach to audio - drinking Kool Aid, not wine.

toronto416

@oberoniaomnia "So the burden or proof is with those who think there is a difference" 

There should be no "burden of proof" in these matters.  The burden of proof is for the individual to decide.  Not for us to prove to the rest of the community what we can clearly hear.

Luckily for us that can hear the differences, we have gone beyond standard testing and used our own ears to decide what we can hear.  Shocking really!  And when these differences can be repeated numerous times and we hear the same difference when gear is changed.  And when even non "audiophile" friends and family can admit they hear a marked difference when it comes to cabling, power conditioning and amplification, then clearly we don't need empirical data to tell us there is a difference. 

The "burden of proof" is on the engineer to use their technical knowledge to create a product that creates a value added proposition to the end user.  The only burden of proof we need is with our own ears.  

But the reason why we call out establishments like ASR is because some people take their opinion and measurements as reality and as the sole place to make decisions regarding their gear.  When in fact, it is far from the entire understanding of what is happening in an audio system.  Valuable information?  Yes.  Contains every variable to help you decide the right gear for you?  No

To be fair I still can't tell much of a difference in interconnects...

 

@jrareform 

Well said. 

I'd like to ask the ASR supporters.

1) What has ASR actually done to propel this industry forward?

2) Name a product(s) that has world class measurement from ASR that also happens to be beloved by the experienced audio community.

3) Name a product you absolutely love thanks to ASR recommendations.

@oberoniaomnia You want burden of proof? Ok I will give you burden of proof.

Go measure the capacitance and inductance of cables, they can vary greatly.

Low inductance has a sound profile.

High inductance has a sound profile.

Low/high capacitance each has a different sound.

Of course there are many other things that also affect the sound of a cable, but this is enough for the burden of proof.

@richardbrand 
"Now I do have a couple of magnums of Henshke Hill of Grace in my basement ."
Now we are talking. Mount Mary is another wine I prefer.

@samureyex 
As much as I dislike the cult like behaviour of ASR, the Mola Mola Tambaqui did measure very well and is regarded as a very high quality Dac.