The Audio Science Review (ASR) approach to reviewing wines.

@laoman

My original comment was about Penfolds's Grange which was rejected by French critics until it was tasted blind, as related in the DVD.  I accidentally quoted about a second Australian wine because I thought it was the same occasion but sometimes history repeats and I got it wrong!

I tend to agree with you about Grange - it is not a wine I have ever bought, but it sometimes featured in our monthly blind tastings against three similar reds.  Every time, it was ranked bottom, to the chagrin of our host, by all attendees and across two bottles. 

Now I do have a couple of magnums of Henshke Hill of Grace in my basement ...

@samureyex 

I did mention that copper tarnishes.  I also pointed to a reason why speaker cables of different resistance should alter the tonal balance.

So why do you think I deny cables sound different?

I merely pointed out that it is not due to a difference in the signal speed in the cable, which is close to the speed of light for silver and copper.

The terminal connector of a cable cannot be pure copper, because copper cannot hold a shape well enough

I would not be that dogmatic!  Copper wires of high purity hold their shape well, after all.

@oberoniaomnia "So the burden or proof is with those who think there is a difference" 

There should be no "burden of proof" in these matters.  The burden of proof is for the individual to decide.  Not for us to prove to the rest of the community what we can clearly hear.

Luckily for us that can hear the differences, we have gone beyond standard testing and used our own ears to decide what we can hear.  Shocking really!  And when these differences can be repeated numerous times and we hear the same difference when gear is changed.  And when even non "audiophile" friends and family can admit they hear a marked difference when it comes to cabling, power conditioning and amplification, then clearly we don't need empirical data to tell us there is a difference. 

The "burden of proof" is on the engineer to use their technical knowledge to create a product that creates a value added proposition to the end user.  The only burden of proof we need is with our own ears.  

But the reason why we call out establishments like ASR is because some people take their opinion and measurements as reality and as the sole place to make decisions regarding their gear.  When in fact, it is far from the entire understanding of what is happening in an audio system.  Valuable information?  Yes.  Contains every variable to help you decide the right gear for you?  No

To be fair I still can't tell much of a difference in interconnects...

@jrareform 

Well said. 

I'd like to ask the ASR supporters.

1) What has ASR actually done to propel this industry forward?

2) Name a product(s) that has world class measurement from ASR that also happens to be beloved by the experienced audio community.

3) Name a product you absolutely love thanks to ASR recommendations.

@oberoniaomnia You want burden of proof? Ok I will give you burden of proof.

Go measure the capacitance and inductance of cables, they can vary greatly.

Low inductance has a sound profile.

High inductance has a sound profile.

Low/high capacitance each has a different sound.

Of course there are many other things that also affect the sound of a cable, but this is enough for the burden of proof.