Record Cleaning Using Vacuum Machine for Cleaning and Ultrasonic for Final Rinse


Readers unfamiliar should reference Precision Aqueous Cleaning of : Vinyl Records by Neil Anton, 3rd Edition, March 2024 available for free on line.  It will provide specific details that I will reference in passing here for brevity.  Specifically, look at Chapter III - Solution Preparation; Chapter VIII - Vacuum Cleaning Machines; and Chapter IX - Ultrasonic Cleaning Machines.  

Summary of Methodology (for very dirty records):1. Preclean 2. Pre-Wash 3. Rinse 4. Vacuum (partial) 5. Tergitol clean 6. Vacuum (partial) 7. Ultrsonic Final Rinse (2minutes) 8. Final Vacuum Dry  

Summary of Methodology (for new to v.good records): 1.Tergitol clean 2. Vacuum (partial) 3. Ultrasonic Final Rinse (2minutes) 4. Final Vacuum Dry                        

Materials Used:  Distilled Water obtained for local grocery store, Tergitol 15-S-9 (0,5ml/L); Liquinox (5ml/L).

Machines:  VPI MW-1 Cyclone; HumminGuru Nova

Brushes:  Osage, VPI, Record Doctor

billstevenson

My process is similar:

1. Loricraft vacuum with L'Art du Son in DW. Applied with Mo-Fi pad, then scrubbed in both directions with 10µ tip Stasis Groove Cleaner brush. Vacuum dry.

2. Loricraft rinse with DW applied with a second Mo-Fi pad, vacuum dry.

3. Degritter rinse and U/S wash, heavy cycle with DW alone.

The procedure is basically covered in Niel's book.  My cmments are specific to my setup and equipment.  First, it takes typically 4.5-6 minutes per record for the dirty record procedure and it takes about 3.5-4 minutes per record for the clean record procedure.  The records are vacuum dried because Neil reported finding 10%-30% residual solids left on the record surface using air drying techniques.  So it is important to get the debris off the record while it is still suspended in the cleaning fluid.  I use a microfiber towel to dry the turntable on the Cyclone between each side of the record during drying. I have also found that the surfactant (Tergitol) is critical to getting the record clean.  In other words, just using distilled water in the HumminGuru, for example did next to nothing.  HumminGuru says the same thing.  Their supplied bottle of stuff is a surfactant.  I also found, like many others that the ultrasonic final rinse does improve the sound of the records.  Ken Micallef of Stereophile describes the sound as like lifting a haze.  I would describe it as adding a little sparkle to the sound.  Note though, that when I tried just running a previously cleaned record through the HumminGuru alone, without first pretreating it with surfactant there was no appreciable improvement.  Again water alone does not seem to penetrate sufficiently into the record grooves.  This might be a characteristic of the HumminGuru because of the frequency of operation and would not apply to other brands of US cleaners.  Next, How does the VPI MW-1 compare to my HW-17?  It is not appreciably quieter.  The vacuum pump is noticeably stronger.  Both machines allow cleaning in both directions.  On my HW-17 the Tergitol solution was in the built-in tank, so both the Liquinox and the distilled water were dispensed by lab squeeze bottles.  With the Cyclone all fluids are dispensed by squeeze bottles.  No big deal.  Every day I clean 3, 4, 5 or 6 records.  It is easy to check the water in the HumminGuru so I do so at the end of every day and usually dump the water just to be safe every 3rd day.  It is not a lot of water.  The machine works flawlessly, but it can't clean a dirty record.  For that you need something that can scrub and vacuum.    So, how does this work?  Very well, the records sound better than they did just using the HW-17 and the extra step only takes a couple of extra minutes. 

 

I too follow Neil’s method, now doing a pre-cleaning of used records, holding the LP above the sink while gently running a cleaning brush around it after having squirted the surface with a diluted Liquinox solution. I hold the LP above the sink by means of one of those devices sold on ebay: the device is a pair of plastic discs slightly bigger than the center paper label on LP’s---each with a rubber gasket on it’s inner side, and a wooden handle with a bolt that passes through the center hole in the LP, a nut on the side opposite the handle with which to secure the two discs onto the LP.

From there the LP goes through the same regiment as non-used LP’s:

1- A cleaning on the VPI HW-17 (a spare mat having been placed on top of the HW-17’s mat for the cleaning and drying of the first LP side), applying one of a variety of cleaning liquids to the LP via a handheld bottle and spread via a handheld brush, then vacuum dried. Repeated on the second side, the spare mat having been removed before the cleaned and dried side of the LP is placed onto the 17 platter’s cork mat.

2- Then into the DIY ultrasonic cleaner that is filled with distilled water into which has been dropped Neil’s recommended amount of Talas brand Tergitol 15-S-9.

3- Then back onto the HW-17 for a final rinse of pure distilled water dispensed from the 17’s internal tank and spread via the 17’s swing-out brush, followed by two revolutions of vacuum drying. By the way, I have two VPI vacuum wands, one used for the first drying, a second only for drying after the final rinse.

 

I sure wish this level of LP cleaning had been possible when I first started buying LP’s in the early-60’s!

 

@billstevenson,  Bill, I am not sure if you took what I wrote in Chapter XIII out of context.

The records are vacuum dried because Neil reported finding 10%-30% residual solids left on the record surface using air drying techniques.  So it is important to get the debris off the record while it is still suspended in the cleaning fluid.  I use a microfiber towel to dry the turntable on the Cyclone between each side of the record during drying.

The blower-style vacuum-RCM (such as VPI) does not suck-up all fluid from the surface.  Anywhere from 10 to 30% is essentially dried/evaporated in-place.  So, it's important to final rinse after using cleaning solutions.  It's OK to use the vacuum to remove the cleaning solution and even if some is dried in place, the Alconox Liquinox pre-cleaner and the Tergitol 15-S-9 rehydrate and go back into solution when you rinse.  There is no reason to use a microfiber cloth to remove the cleaning solution.  

Let me show what happens with Tergitol 15-S-9 when its applied at the recommended 0.05% concentration = 500-ppm which also equals 500-mg/L (same as 0.5-mg/ml).  Let's assume you are applying 7-ml of fluid to the record surface:

  1. If of 7-ml applied 0.05% Tergitol the worst case 30% dries in-place, that's 2.1-ml and at 0.5-mg/ml, 1.05-mg of Tergitol residue is on the record.
  2. 7-ml of rinse water is applied, and now the 1.05-mg Tergitol is diluted to 1.05-mg/7-ml = 0.15-mg/ml.
  3. If of the 7-ml rinse water (with some Tergitol) applied the worst case 30% dries in-place, that's 2.1-ml of 0.15-mg/ml Tergitol and now the Tergitol residue is down to 0.315-mg.  
  4. Assuming the 0.315-mg is uniformly spread across the record, the residue thickness is ~0.0315-microns and this is down at inherent surface roughness making it inconsequential.  
  5. If you wanted to be very conservative, you just do a 2nd final rinse

Hope this is of some help,

Take care,

Neil

I was in a hurry and did not explain myself well.  The record is taken out of the HumminGuru after the final rinse and placed back on the Cylcone turntable.  The top side is vacuum dried.  The record is removed and turned over, but before placing it back on the turntable to dry the other side I use a microfiber cloth to dry the turntable.  This just takes a few moments and prevents the dry side of the record from picking up any moisture.  Some people have expressed concern about using a RCM with a full size turntable because when the record is turned over if the turntable is contaminated in any way foreign material and moisture could transfer and adhere to the just cleaned and dried side.  With just a little care this possibility is easily prevented.