Digital Room Correction vs Room Treatments


I finally got a mic and used REW to analyze my room.  Attached is the freq response for 3 different speakers (Monitor Audio Gold Reference 20, Sonus Faber Electa Amator II, and Sonus Faber Concerto Domus).

They all show similar characteristics - at least the most prominent ones.  I did play around with the Amators trying them closer together and more forward in the room, but the major characteristics you see were mostly unchanged.

With this magnitude and number of deviations from a more ideal frequency response curve, am I better off biting the bullet and just doing digital room correction, or can these issues be addressed with room treatments without going crazy and having the room look like Frankenstein’s lab.

Cost is a consideration, but doing it right/better is the most important factor.

If digital room correction is a viable way to address this, what are the best solutions today?  My system is largely analog (80’s/90’s Mcintosh preamp/amp, tube phono stage), and streaming isn’t a priority (though I’m not against it).

 If the better digital correction solutions come in the form of a streaming HW solution, that’s fine, I’d do that.  

Just looking for guidance on the best way to deal with the room, as both serious room treatments and digital EQ room correction are both areas I haven’t delved into before.


Thanks all.  If more info is needed, let me know.  My room is 11.5’ wide and 15.5’ long with the speakers on the short wall.  Backs of speakers are 3-3.5’ off the front wall and they’re at least 2ft from either side wall.  Some placement flexibility is there, but not a huge amount.

captouch

Yes, I'm kind of leaning against considering that the room seems "good enough" now that I've tweaked listening and speaker position.  

To do a MiniDSP w/DIRAC Live experiment would be $500 minimum and to do a more sophisticated custom filter would require inserting a computer into my setup to run the more sophisticated DSP - that's $1000 minimum.  Either of which would add an ADC/DAC step.

@captouch Mitch creates a DSP package called a Convolution Filter. He uses some very expensive audio software to do this ($20k). This software is way more powerful than any physical audio gear that is inserted in a processor loop.

As I mentioned before the Convolution Filter is a digital only solution. That is your CD player, and tuners are out of luck. It only works with a DAC.

You install the Convolution filter on a music server, which is a computer. In my case, I use ROON Core on a cheap computer and install the filters on that ROON Core server. ROON has a GUI to install the filters. The filter is in the signal path (not sure if that is bad) and applies the filter BEFORE the bits are sent to the DAC. Your streamer sends the modded bits to your DAC. The DAC is connected to your preamp.

In my opinion the best way to do DSP (but only digital sources)

BTW - what I describe in NOT ROON DSP. The same filter can work on JRiver which is completely different from ROON.

 

 

@yyzsantabarbara Thanks for the explanation.  I wrote to Mitch and we exchanged a couple of emails.

He referred me to a device that could be inserted into a processor loop and interface with a computer to make it work on all sources, though it was an open question on whether the device would play well with my particular process loop (impedance matching and all).

It would be an over $1100 solution for everything which could be worth it if there were no other ways to address my issues.  
 

But I do think my room is shaping up to be okay after all.  And Mitch said if I changed my speakers (which is always possible), the filters would need to be redone, so I need to be sure I’m both settled on my endgame speakers and have remaining issues that keep me from being happy with the sound without DSP.

It’ll take me some time to sort all that out.

OP, for a reasonably inexpensive DSP solution with more potential tricks in it's bag of, you might look at a Behringer DEQ2496....everything in a tape loop that you could potentially want and then some.  The calibrated mic it uses costs 25$....
I've 2 of the older 8024s' that allow me to 'run flat' in a variety of spaces they've been in without treatments....not perfect, but what is?

Sweetwater for new (free shipping); used might be 'out where, somewhere'...hard to mess up an eq.

Steep learning curve, but you'll learn a lot in the effort....:)

Cheers and good luck, J

 

 

OP:

For the record, room treatments and room correction are not equivalent.

Using a frequency response curve to determine if you need room treatments is only useful in the bass.  Above that the microphones won't integrate frequency response measurements over time the way we do.  You need time based plots for that.

Having said that, REW includes a room mode simulator but I find the AM Acoustics version free and easier to understand.

Now, as for EQ / Room Correction... the best you can usually do without bass traps is to clip peaks.  After that you raise the overall level of the bass to taste.

With bass traps that are effective at your problem frequencies you can mitigate both much better.

Point is, for your bass, use the simulator to make sure your speakers and listening location are away from the room modes you are finding.  Consider placing bass traps near the areas activated by those modes. 

As for the rest of your speakers, leave them alone, but in the mid to treble regions having appropriate mid/treble absorption and diffusion helps greatly with imaging and comfort levels.  Also taming reflections (which won't show up in a frequency graph) will make the room sound like you have much more bass.