How good is the crossover in your loudspeakers?


 

I just watched a Danny Richie YouTube video from three weeks ago (linked below). Danny is the owner/designer of GR Research, a company that caters to the DIY loudspeaker community. He designs and sells kits that contain the drivers and crossover schematics to his loudspeakers, to hi-fi enthusiasts who are willing and able to build their own enclosures (though he also has a few cabinet makers who will do it for you if you are willing to pay them to do so).

Danny has also designed crossovers for loudspeaker companies who lack his crossover design knowledge. In addition, he offers a service to consumers who, while liking some aspects of the sound of their loudspeakers, find some degree of fault in those loudspeakers, faults Danny offers to try to eliminate. Send Danny one of your loudspeakers, and he will free of charge do a complete evaluation of it's design. If his evaluation reveals design faults (almost always crossover related) he is able to cure, he offers a crossover upgrade kit as a product.

Some make the case that Danny will of course find fault in the designs of others, in an attempt to sell you one of his loudspeaker kits. A reasonable accusation, were it not for the fact that---for instance---in this particular video (an examination of an Eggleston model) Danny makes Eggleston an offer to drop into the company headquarters and help them correct the glaring faults he found in the crossover design of the Eggleston loudspeaker a customer sent him.

Even if you are skeptical---ESPECIALLY if you are---why not give the video a viewing? Like the loudspeaker evaluation, it's free.

 

 

https://youtu.be/1wF-DEEXv64?si=tmd6JI3DFBq8GAjK&t=1

 

And for owners of other loudspeakers, there are a number of other GR Research videos in which other models are evaluated. 

 

 

bdp24
travelinjack

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"He is a hater and a shill.  At best his kits offer small and likely inaudible improvements." 
noone would do it if it was "small and likely inaudible improvements." an absurd comment and illogical 
OH SO negative ! you have not done any research on him and read any reviews ! 
er NO you sound like the hater! and he is no shill i have worked w/ him on several projects and the speakers had dramatic improvements NOW they were worth keeping and listening to! even cheap speakers !  
I think you have no idea how cheap the parts in many speakers are! some speakers even expensive ones have NO crossover only a couple caps to protect the tweeter or mid and they are running them as essentially Full range speakers! so even a modest price crossover yields DRAMATIC results! I have seen , heard it ! 
IF you were objective and fair you would listen to the before and after and watch some of the videos! ,but you are not are you ? so not worth it wasting breath to refute you really ! sad .

@ned1000    
I am not negative about him. I just asked questions. For years I have used Audience 1+1 speakers especially because they have no crossover. My ears are sensitive to the negative effects of crossovers. Before that I used a Marchant active crossover. I couldn’t enjoy my then speakers with the built in network. Now I am using Raidho td1.2 and am happy with their crossover. I think this gentleman is doing a good job. I don’t think I need his service at this time though. Have a nice weekend. 

 

Like some others here, my current main loudspeaker---the Eminent Technology LFT-8b---employs a midrange driver (a push-pull planar-magnetic design) with no crossover in it’s passband: 180Hz to 10kHz, with 1st-order (6dB/octave) high and low-pass filters at those frequencies, handing off to a sealed dynamic woofer for frequencies below 180Hz and a ribbon tweeter for 10kHz up.

For those who want improved bass response, the Rythmik Audio/GR Research Open Baffle/Dipole Servo-Feedback Woofer (unlike all "normal" subs, it may be used up to 300Hz) may be used in place of the LFT-8b’s stock woofer (the LFT-8b includes dual pairs of binding posts, one for the woofer). Magnepan has been working on their own dipole subwoofer for a few years now (Wendell Diller has long insisted that non-dipole subs "Do not work"---Wendell’s exact words---with a dipole loudspeaker). Magnepan owners: no need to wait for it!

The OB/Dipole Woofer includes a plate amp that provides all the controls the Eminent Technology LFT-8c does (the 8c uses the same planar magnet-drivers as does the 8b, but a dipole---though non-open baffle---woofer in place of the 8b’s monopole), but operates in the analogue domain. The 8c operates digitally.

 

I had a set of very nice speakers that were also offered in a "reference" edition (for an additional $900.) Curious about upgrading them, I spoke with the manufacturer who advised on the components, and I replaced the caps and resistors with parts costing $450; these were the same brands as the ones int he upgraded model but much higher in quality. I didn't hear a significant difference. 

And then there's Wilson Benesch who run their midrange directly coupled to the amp, i.e., no crossover, and use primarily first order electronic crossovers or acoustic crossovers. 

The best crossover is no crossover, followed by an acoustic crossover. 

KISS