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The CD player is dead.......

I am still waiting for someone to explain why a cd player is superior to storing music on a hard drive and going to a dac. Probably because you all know it's not.

Every cd player has a dac. I'll repeat that. Every cd player has a dac. So if you can store the ones and zeros on a hard drive and use error correction JUST ONCE and then go to a high end dac, isn't that better than relying on a cd player's "on the fly" jitter correction every time you play a song? Not to mention the convenience of having hundreds of albums at your fingertips via an itouch remote.

If cd player sales drop, then will cd sales drop as well, making less music available to rip to a hard drive?
Maybe, but there's the internet to give us all the selection we've been missing. Has anyone been in a Barnes and Noble or Borders lately? The music section has shown shrinkage worse than George Costanza! This is an obvious sign of things to come.....

People still embracing cd players are the "comb over" equivalent of bald men. They're trying to hold on to something that isn't there and they know will ultimately vanish one day.

I say sell your cd players and embrace the future of things to come. Don't do the digital "comb over".
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kijanki
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Alex - I'm pretty sure that most of CDP don't spin faster and FIFO buffer is filled in real time just to take out jitter (while PLL keeps same average of both clocks). $19.95 Pioneer is not necessarily much worse then $6000 Esoteric since Pioneer is produced in milions. Also Esoteric drive alone doesn't cost $6000 (more like $600?).

Computer CD Drive doesn't have any particular speed during ripping process - it is program controlled and changes from 1x to about 20x on my Mac.

Server based system and mentioned Esoteric might sound different because of different electronics. Use top quality DAC in the system and to many it might sound better then Esoteric.

In my setup computer noise induced jitter doesn't make much difference since data is send to Airport Express not as a stream but as files/packets. AE decodes data and spits it out with its own clock achieving, according to Stereophile measurement 250ps word clock jitter. Dacs have usually some means of reducing jitter (like PLL). Benchmark DAC1 does even more but some people don't like upsampling or oversampling converters.
pettyofficer
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Mlsstl- the 90% was never mine, the stats were never mine, and I was never the source of the Propaganda. Neither was I the source of any facts, distorted or otherwise. The Source is a little group of obsessive, compulsive braggards who want to control what everyone else listens to! These People claim to ME, that THEY are the 90% therefore I should shut the hell up and do what I am told, convenient! What is also convenient is YOU laying respondsibility for THEIR propaganda at my feet, can you read, I never claimed ownership of that either! On the contrary, I think that it is insightful into how their little minds, and yours, work. You go on worrying about Stats all you want, I'm talking about intent here! What is the intent behind those who want to get rid of the CD Format? Why are they so desperate to lie, cheat , and steal to accomplish their goal? What is your intent behind laying their intent at my feet? That is really sweet trying to hide your intent behind Stats, nice try. Blaming me for the misinformation of others, now THAT is REAL special! You didn't really honestly think that this was going to work did you? I would say nice try, except it was way too transparent even for that. What was that attempt, a 200 LB. cockroach crawling across a white rug? REAL suttle there Mlsstl, with the finese of a Chimpanzee performing Brain Surgery. I would almost be tempted to believe your rant, except for one very important thing. The fact that you are ranting it tells me that I am hitting a nerve. Was that your honest opinion of me, or were you just squealing in pain? Why do those who believe themselves to be part of their delusional 90% squeal the loudest when they can't get their own way with CD? I can see that I am going to have to keep on pounding on that nerve till I get some answers! Why should you even care what happens to the CD Format? What is it to you? Don't try to couch your answers in Stats, what IS the CD Format to you guys anyways? Is it the most dire threat to Downloading, a clear and present danger that absolutely MUST be eliminated at all costs? Why should you guys even care WHAT Format others are listening to? Conspiracy, nah!
You guys can't EVEN keep a secret. You have your intent written all over your face! If you are trying to perpetuate a Conspiracy, this is the worst bumbling that I have ever seen since Richard Nixon or the Keystone Cops! You can drop the pretence, we ALL know what it is that you guys really want, and it is NOT to help or enlighten the rest of us. It is not about Sex, Music, Formats, Stats, it is about P-O-W-E-R! If you can't have it (CD) you will end up running home crying to your Mommie! What part of NO (CD), doesn't your child like brain understand?
mlsstl
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You're a real slice, PO! And the acronym is appropriate, too.

See you around...
pettyofficer
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M-O-M-M-I-E!.....THEY ARE STILL MAKING CD'S!....M-O-M-M-I-E! WWWWWHHHHAAAAAA! WWWWWWHHHHAAAA!
I would say grow up and learn to live with disappointment, but what is the use!
pettyofficer
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I will stick around Mlsstl. I will keep pounding on that nerve, because I haven't gotten any answers yet! You guys are part of a Puzzle that just absolutely has to be solved!
Wanting less for your money, NOW THAT IS JUST WEIRD! You guys must know that I can't quit till the Puzzle is solved!
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