A controversial takes on low cost speakers with a lesson...
A controversial takes on 5 speakers comparison with an acoustic lesson few will catch:
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Why the frequency responses of a speakers design is not enough to know the speakers potential peak performance ?
Because of the room frequency response in which it will be working...
But why the room frequency response is not enough to reach the optimal sound quality experience ?
Because there is psycho-acoustics parameters...
Because stereo listening is completely unnatural for our hearing sense...We must use this unnatural situation for the best...
Then What ?
Then you can tune mechanically your room in relation to your own hearing perception...
I did it mechanically using Helmholtz resonators tunable and specifically located grid of resonators...I tuned them on a long period in a self correcting way i had 100....
Doing so i used in a mechanical way the psycho-acoustics principle related to the way each of our ears perceived each speakers timing and location ...
I learn acoustics doing it but it is not esthetical nor practical especially in a living room if you have no time ( i was retired)....
Then the only optimal way is after buying speakers, after doing the minimal acoustics treatment and control you can read Dr. Choueiri articles and methods using psycho-acoustics in a non mechanical way but with specific filters to optimize your speakers/room for your specific hearing...
There is no other way i know of....
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Imagine you yourself start a serious thread and few harassing posters tried to derail it... Imagine my only post in this thread of yours is about how dumb the youtube video which you used is, so dumb that this youtuber is certainly trolling us... Then if you put yourself in my shoes won’t you feel attacked as the OP of this thread by me posting as an answer that you had just post a so evidently dumb video designed probably by a troll ?
Go elsewhere if you are not interested by acoustics... And dont play the surprize game ....it is called hypocrisy...
I just posted few days ago in a thread of yours without any insinuation a good post answering your question , are you not able to act as a gentleman in the same way ?
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I gave my 19 minutes to watch that video and then I felt I had the right to say what I thought. But oh well. I didn't know the rule that you can post whatever and I need to shut up about it if I have a negative opinion about the video.
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A thing i discovered thinking about the two groups opposing each others in audio: The so called subjectivist and the objectivist was their common ignorance about the importance of the acoustics and psycho-acoustics concepts and parameters because they are focus on the gear frequency response or their "taste" when "hearing" a piece of gear... But the frequency response as analysed by ASR afficionados or as experienced by audiophile ears in a living room dont tell the story that must be tell at all...
Now what means the ratio ASW/LV and why it matters so much more than the price of your speakers.... This is the subject of the thread i begun ....
For example when i did the mechanical tuning of my room to recover the spatial attribute of the sound i ought to be dealing with the trade-off between the frequency responses of the room/speakers for the timbre perception versus the spatial localization of the sounds sources. It was a trade-off an imperfect mechanical game of tuning... I learned a lot... but the only way to do it optimally without losing in this trade -off between timbre accuracy and spatial attributes cannot be mechanical...We need psycho-acoustics measures of the head and inner ears canals and the application of filters which will makes us able to recover the loss of acoustic information which is there in the recording but lost in the speakers/ room stereo unnatural situation ...
This is why it is very important for any audiophile to read articles by Dr. Edgar Choueiri to understand clearly the acoustic challenge at play, especially if unlike me you have not the time , the dedicated room and you are not interested in investing so much time in the tuning of a room mechanically...
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@mambacfa your post got lost in this curious thread, but I agree with you 100%. I learned about the Lii audio speakers a few years ago and purchased the cheaper 6 inch models thinking I was basically throwing money away. I put them into simple open baffles and they really surprised me. The whole range of the audio spectrum certainly was not there, but there was a quality of immediacy that was captivating. I later got a pair of the F-15s and put them in a nicer open baffle and they remain as one of my top systems to this day. They are great with low power tube amps For instance. |
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