Thoughts and suggestions please


I only stream and have spent 3 years building my playlist. I have recently been thinking about purchasing my playlist on Qobuz in the event something happens (they go out of business or some major crash) that would lose what I have spent so much time building. Is this a concern for others as well? If I do decide to purchase my list I would need a new streamer with storage capacity. I am looking for suggestions for streamers. I have an N130 node now with Teddy Pardo LPS. I like the BluOS app and am considering a new Node with storage but with all the positive feedback with Innuous and Aurrender I will strongly consider those too. Do their apps compare favorably with the BluOS app? I’d like to stay in the 3-5k cost range.  Thank you for your thoughts. 
 

Ron 
 

 

 

ronboco

I went from the N130 to Aurender N150. Very much liked the BlueOS app (I still use the N130 on my 2nd system), but found Conductor to be excellent, very intuitive & an easy transition. Conductor works best with a tablet (more information), but was able to make use of an old iPad mini that was on the sidelines. I use it exclusively for Conductor. 

@ronboco 

1K song playlist is about right. I have been burning CD's for many years and when I first started, I created a number of playlists separated via genre or decades. Then I became aware that multiple playlists will require more work, so they all became one. 

While I have 120 GB of 120 KHz / 24 bit tracks, I really only listen to those 1K songs. Sure, I add new music - usually found on YouTube, the Radio, or a Music store - and mix it up frequently to keep it fresh, but 1,000 songs represent 72 hours of music and around 7 Gigs of music. We humans have limits, and while there are exceptions to every rule, if everyone had 1K of their favorite songs on tap (to listen to free of charge), the majority would be happy. It is a sweet spot.

My local record store charges $5 per CD and provides me with $2 credit when I bring it back, so the CD cost is $3. Many times only one song off a CD makes it to my playlist, so if you are paying $3 per song for a high resolution file, then that is a fair price, at this time.

Gen Z and Millennials are the ones who are buying physical music media, not the older folks like myself who grew up with it. A lot of older folks here are under the suspicion that we and only we are supporting vinyl and CD mediums. Simply a fallacy. Sales of CD's and Vinyl has risen in the past 15-20 years. Society has not changed, young people require some place to congregate and record stores are at the top of the list. If you live in an urban area, record stores are inundated with young folks; not old geezers. The one I frequent is owned by a not so rich 20-something who knows her trade and is supported by the local music scene. Very much like the 1980's but with more music to choose from.

Streamers cost money. Adding a streamer will require another shelf and cable - much like a computer and USB cable (assuming you have a DAC) only cheaper. The laptop I use costs $150. The AudioQuest carbon USB cable ($170) that connects your laptop to DAC and is the only other one-time cost. And yes, I have an external hard drive for backup but that could just be a nano USB stick for $20 if you want it to be. They work great in vehicle USB ports.

The costs of streaming are guaranteed to rise. Monthly service costs of TV and Music is going to skyrocket in the next 10 years because competing factions in music streaming are fighting for for their rights - to own more music than the other - which then qualifies for a higher cost to the consumer. If you live long enough, you need to consider what capitalism does to the consumer. If you have ever owned a company, you know first hand what capitalism does to your business - every vendor will raise their prices year over year. Nature of the beast.

It should be of no surprise that many young people are turning to physical media. Owning for renting is a well known issue with humans. Nearly all of us would rather own. And while vinyl costs are rising, that lends itself well to being an asset in the future. My vinyl -most of which was purchased in the last 15 years- is worth far more now than what it was. Go figure. Did not see it coming, but I am not complaining.

Figure this. If you were to pay $20 for a high resolution streaming service, that equates to $240 per year. In contrast, that amount equates to a quantity of 80, $3 CD's, about like adding 7 CD's per month to your collection. I struggle to find that many CD's of new music each month. As for vinyl, I have about 1,200 records and do not buy much anymore due to the fact that I feel there is little left out there for me to enjoy with vinyl. Digital files are super convenient and can be transported with ease making it superior in all ways except the betterment of sound.

 

My local record store charges $5 per CD and provides me with $2 credit when I bring it back, so the CD cost is $3. Many times only one song off a CD makes it to my playlist, so if you are paying $3 per song for a high resolution file, then that is a fair price, at this time.
 

you’re not supporting artists or the industry by purchasing used CDs and used vinyl records. I’m unable to find stats indicating gen Z and millennials are buying new CDs and records. That’s a key data point. Buying vinyl on garage sale and reporting on a survey that you’re listening to physical media is just a fun fact.

audphile1

... you’re not supporting artists or the industry by purchasing used CDs and used vinyl records ...

That’s true. What’s even worse is when people buy the used CD, rip it, and then return the CD to the store for credit on another used disc.

I’m unable to find stats indicating gen Z and millennials are buying new CDs and records.

Understood. You previously stated:

Physical media is a very niche market at this point targeting old school audiophiles. It’s the reality.

But the data doesn’t seem to support your "reality." The 2022 study by Luminate (quoted here by Inside Radio, itself an authoritative source) states:

... vinyl album sales ... were driven by younger women, with 34% of female buyers in the Gen Z category, while 62% of male buyers of vinyl were Gen X-ers or Millennials (31% for each).

It also states:

What’s driving those sales is not classic catalog titles, which might attract those older male consumers, but rather current releases, sales of which are up ...

Musicweek.com cites Key Production’s claim:

The proportion of people listening to physical music (vinyl, cassette and CDs) is greatest amongst those aged 18 to 24 ...

It also references Vinyl Alliance research that shows:

Generation Z is now the driving force behind vinyl’s current popularity ...

If you look at the top-selling LPs, it does look more like a Gen Z playlist than one by we old codger audiophiles. Here’s this week’s data.

 

Cool @cleeds

I take all the points that I said and you highlighted as incorrect back. Yes the gen z and millennials are the biggest buyers when it comes to CDs and vinyl. And yes the buy up all the new music on physical media. I was wrong. You can rest easy now.