

Let's talk music, no genre boundaries
This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.
All history is driven by archetypes and rooted in them...
Once this is said,the fact that there exist a mother achetype and a father archetype does not means that all physics could be reduced to these underlying archetypes.. ( we can easily class everything in yin and yang that does not means that physics is yin or yang )
In my own thinking as an exemple, we have three sides: the materialistic social tribal and now robotic ego,& the daimonic (Plato)"possessed" "inspired" isolated ego, but also the free thinking "I" which result & manifest as a balance & controls between the other two sides. History describe the emergence of this third Christic component.
As you see instead of using your feminine and masculine polarities, i use three symbolic forms or achetypes : the material (feminine) the mind (masculine) the transcendent "i"...
My reading is as much good or as much bad as yours...
![]() Instead of a feminine physics , why not a physics integrating the two polarities in a higher dimension ?
A Goethean physics as described by Henri Bortoft in two books ...
If i consult A.I. dont doubt he will obey my prompting biases and confirming my perspective as it did with your schematics...
A.I. is not truth... It is a confirming biases tool so useful it could be it dont think ....
There is plenty of people saying A.I. helped them and confirmed their view right now...
If i prompt A.I. about my view as i just described to you i can also wrote a physics description ( encompassing biology and psychology ) as good as your own with my three perspectives archetypes of the "ego " instead of yin yang or feminine /masculine ...
In my physics perspectives the observer must be himself transformed in the act of observation.He then cannot observe a feminine or a masculine physics out of himself.
In a word you are "not even wrong".
It can be helpful for you to contrast a feminine physics with a masculine physics but i doubt that it will be productive... It was already done long ago by the way ...I read the "tao of Physics" by Capra 50 years ago , he contrasted newtonian physics (masculine ) with Quantum physics (feminine ) and all your description correspond to his own...
i prefer Goethe who goes deeper ....
The great thinker Gilbert Durand classified all imaginative archetypes...(" Structure anthropologique de l’imagination " a total masterpiece translated in English which i read 55 years ago, i recommend it to you and be assured this book is not obsolete )
The imaginative cosmos is a tree with three main branches with one branch which is double ( the three musketeers are 4 ) ... Then not just a feminine/masculine simpler classification ... Our bodies male or female support the same workings functions and are complementary not opposite...
Jean Gebser i recommended to you described in his 600 pages book how consciousness is transformed by evolution/history dynamically. he does not use a simplistic binary classification... You decided without reading it that his book was obsolete ... Ask A.I. if his book is obsolete and why ?
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I will illustrate my point about the "I" transcending the robotic or the tribal ego as well as the daimonic ego with a quote about consciousness because the ego robotic or possessed is not conscious... Only the transcendent Christic "I" or Atman is conscious ... «“Consciousness may behave like an attentive supervisor who keeps an eye on everything that is happening but intervenes only when it realizes that the automatic processes could be inadequate to handle the situation.” - Federico Faggin physicist designer of the first INTEL processor and mystic |
is there some sound experience able to elevate the conscious level out of our robotic body and robotic mind ? It seems some music were used as such in many spiritual culture... An example will be given with the Barabar cave in this astounding documentary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RJ3Epd_SXk&t=2958s
Dont miss this documentary.... It is related to sound experience, ancient history, and almost superhuman technology... It is factual not speculation by the way ... If you know some piece of music able to elevate the conscious level by the way sounds is used you can suggest it here ... All music in a way or another may elevate the consciousness level if someone is prepared to live the experience , but some music are designed for this in a very peculiar way ... Music is for me not just pleasure but change of consciousness ... it is not just about our taste but about a higher truth if we change ourselves et prepare to receive it ... music help and cure or makes us ill ...
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The idea of physics through a feminine lens and problems with entropy are mine. The idea that there must be a creative force is mine. I got these ideas from reading books like "The Tao of Physics" and "Gaia" and many others. Chatgbt did not lead me along, I led it along. I have long wondered about space and why it has been so overlooked, until recently, by physics. The book "Gaia" gave me ideas about a creative force in the universe. If you could see the very long process I spent with chatgbt, you would know that chatgbt was not feeding me nonsense just to please me. Many times I tried to lead it in a direction and it opposed me. It is a fact that women have had little to do with the writing of physics. That is why I thought that physics overlooks the creative force. The concept of entropy has long seemed problematic to me. How is it measured that the creation of a human or any life form creates more entropy than the value of the form? How does one count the quality or quantity of a human being versus entropy? Anyway, these are my ideas and I was helped by chatgbt to organize them and bring them into line with modern physics ideas. I can show you blogs I wrote twenty years ago about books on string theory. These thoughts are not new to me. I've been thinking about them a very long time. |
I apologize if i had been too blunt and direct... I dont doubt that you think about these ideas very seriously... But nothing of what you wrote surprised me as really new ... i read Tao of physics and Gaia long ago too ... Entropy is a subject very deep and puzzling even for geniuses : «John von Neumann famously advised Claude Shannon to name his information measure "entropy" because "Nobody knows what entropy is, so in a debate you will always have the advantage". Von Neumann recognized the formula’s connection to statistical mechanics and that its conceptual ambiguity would provide a strategic benefit in discussions about the new field of information theory.»
If Von Neumann dont know what is entropy i doubt that just refering back to "creative feminine force" will solve the problem...
An unknown genius wrote a book about entropy and the cosmos, William James Sidis at 20 and predicted from his ideas black hole 14 years before Chandrasekhar works: https://www.sidis.net/animate.pdf i can use A.I. to give a resume of this book i read in awe 25 years ago: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-william-james-sidis-th-q1KgmH9RQ8efSgVIpLkDyA
We all need a grid perspective to figure out the world and our place in it. For me the feminine/masculine polarities the way you used them in the post about physics above cannot explain the world and history and certainly not physics... Mathematics is not even enough if we want to begin to understand the world... We need spiritual insight way over feminine and masculine sex differences... Now we can mathematise this polarity in more abstract forms than feminine and masculine as Russell did after the Chinese in the deep Yi-King book ...Or we can use this polarity in a non sexual integrated way as Swedenborg did ... A spiritual thinker has done it among few others : Walter Russell : «Russell’s cosmogony was described in A New Concept of the Universe,[19] where he wrote that "the cardinal error of science" was "shutting the Creator out of his Creation."[20] Russell never referred to an anthropomorphic god, but rather wrote that "God is the invisible, motionless, sexless, undivided, and unconditioned white Magnetic Light of Mind"[21] which centers all things. "God is provable by laboratory methods," Russell wrote, "The locatable motionless Light which man calls magnetism is the Light which God IS."[22] He wrote that Religion and Science must come together in a New Age.[23]»
Swedenborg has described an holographical vision of the universe emanating from the God central sun : «In Swedenborg’s cosmology, Divine Love and Divine Wisdom are the fundamental attributes of God, manifesting in the spiritual world as a sun that gives forth heat (Divine Love) and light (Divine Wisdom).» As you can see wisdom is the masculine element , love the feminine element which together makes one angel reflecting God main attributes... Swedenborg was one of the greatest scientist in history not only a mystic.
Now i will give you my own idea about the world. It is not rooted in biological sex distinction. The finite in time cannot imagine the infinite but the infinite out of time can "remember" the finite which was created by him. I believe in God as explanatory source of sciences as well as history as history of our consciousness transformation and birth in God or in the source spirit... The best book on this is Gebser book. "the ever present origin"... this book instead of being obsolete as you claimed predicted 75 years ago the actual state of the world... I could have quoted Rudolf Steiner the seer, scientist and Goethe scholar. I read 200 books of him but i doubt that it will interest you. Then i picked up Gebser but you discarded it as "obsolete" .. :) |