Streamers rabbit hole


boy.  there are so many streamers out there all claiming to be better than the other.  My head is spinning.

I have an Anthem STR integrated amp, SVS SB300 sub, and Sonetto II G2s.  Looking for a good streamer pairing for this system. 

Comments please....

arstereo

@russbutton 

Bits is bits.  The DAC doesn't care where the bits come from.  All of those expensive streamers are just Linux boxes running custom software.  No end of suckers in audio.

My first thought was that you are correct with your assumption. However, another user here ( @dhungana ) has placed a Denafrips GAIA 12th (Digital to Digital converter) between his Streamer(s) and DAC(s) and "clearly heard an improvement" with every streamer/DAC combo he used. (Lifted from another discussion on this site titled Hi-Fi Rose 130).

A summary of those testing results would suggest that when you feed a DAC a well defined digital signal (The Denafrips uses a FIFO buffer and a femtosecond clock for reclocking and jitter reduction, a process that cleans and synchronizes the data before it reaches a DAC, ultimately revealing more detail, focus, and clarity in the music) the results conflict with what you have suggested.

At this point, I simply use a laptop for streaming (if you want to call it that) but mostly play local music files. I have heard sound differences with USB cables between the laptop and DAC. Hence, the cable is reducing noise of those bits and thus, a bit is a bit, but if you switch out cables, the bits are clearly better and cleaning up any signal or noises (analog or digital) enhances clarity.

It's a puzzle, I know. And I am resisting the expensive streamer idea until I can better understand the process as I do not want to be a sucker. ;)

It would be helpful if others chimed in. It is a bit of a mystery to me as to why a DAC is unable to "properly" clean up an incoming signal and given help from a DDC device, they sound better. 

It would be helpful if others chimed in. It is a bit of a mystery to me as to why a DAC is unable to "properly" clean up an incoming signal and given help from a DDC device, they sound better. 

@goodlistening64  I found upgrading even to a budget iFi Zen Stream (with their iPowerX power supply) was a huge upgrade over a computer, and inserting a Denafrips Iris DDC and going i2S into my Musician Pegasus R2R DAC was again a significant improvement.  With Amazon, Crutchfield, etc. offering low/no risk returns there’s really no excuse for you not to at least try a decent streamer. 

@goodlistening64  I am aware of reclockers for digital connection between a PC and a DAC.  I run Linux on a dedicated PC, with JRiver as the music manager.  I dropped $200 on a reclocker and didn't hear a difference.  

I've never heard a difference between USB cables either.  Bits is bits.  If you're not getting the same bit stream with different cables, then you've got a bad cable.  If you've ever done any assembly language programming, you'd realize that bit copying is extremely reliable.  Sorry.  Bits is bits.

Two streamer brands to add to your list - Lindemann Woodnote Solo Streamer with balanced outputs or Volumio Primo Streamer. If you want the best Volumio streaming system then look at the Volumio Rivo+ with their Lineo5 linear power supply and Volumio Preciso DAC. Lots of YT video reviews on the Volumio options.

I've never heard a difference between USB cables either.  Bits is bits.  If you're not getting the same bit stream with different cables, then you've got a bad cable.  If you've ever done any assembly language programming, you'd realize that bit copying is extremely reliable.  Sorry.  Bits is bits.

@russbutton  You’re totally ignoring the timing of the bits (among other things), which is not an issue with computers but is critical in audio.  But you hang onto your “bits is bits” mantra while the rest of us know, and hear, better.