Let's talk music, no genre boundaries


This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.

 

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Nikolayeva as Yudina plays with a timing gesture internal to mucic which emerge only with her playing specific gesture ( in some works near his soul not in all works) ...

 The musical time dimension is for me the spiritual content of the music, the yeast that makes bread rise...

Nikolayeva in Shostakovitch is at home, she created his own  "time" inside this music (not measurable because linked to his gestures life) she dont go after one time external to the music as many  mere virtuoso  may do  : 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d94DLBjTfZo&list=RDd94DLBjTfZo&start_radio=1

 

 

 Here i will propose 2 versions of Bach violin sonatas i love, but one which is soundwise"perfect" with an "external" reading of time but a perfect articulation by Helen Schmitt who i admire a lot and listen often...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltg6HjRPDu4&list=OLAK5uy_ntxYVtHBa0xdlGCh6PAv1FIn6orW2BXyk

 

And the irrepleacable version over even perfection because born from an "internal" time gesture, then a spiritual force emerging and flowing as  the eternal beginning of the world...

Beware because the violonist recorded it two time and only one is at the peak, the 1952 version with a less well sound but  an eternal godly heart  beat. This version i did not listen so often  because it is a too sacred occasion and i wait to be in the state of total awareness ( i use Schmitt walking outdoor  she is magnificent)  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjpvZefMpA&list=RDYFjpvZefMpA&start_radio=1

 

 These two exemple of playing demonstrated well the huge difference between internal time born from the musical gesture himself and  a gesture so perfect it could be (Schmitt) but which  use  an external time...

 Any playing in any instrument by every musician at any time may  varies in levels of spirit content and this distinction between internal time and external time gesture  is not clear cut. But if we use top supreme interpretation into these two categories using the same work we can feel it clearly...

 

 

 It is the same thing in Nikolaeva  almost impossible to rival version of Shostakovich preludes for piano , most other pianists compared to her use an external time with their gesture , not an internal time gesture like a flowing pulse which cannot be reduced to rythm,beats,etc like an individual gesture walking expression is unique for each individual, or writing gesture expression in graphology ... 

 

Music like poetry cannot be taught at the end, only awaken in individuals..

 

 

When we speak we create our own time gesture...

Now listen Nikolayeva playing "the art of the fugue" by Bach, it seems she speak and not only use the notes as notes but as vowels and consonants in a prayer ascending like a song ...

Compare this with "perfect" Gould version which i like a lot too ...

But here Gould played the notes not as words of a prayer singing  but  more as notes linked with an external timing  in a perfect control percussive gesture for sure ...( we feel like Nikolayeva playing is more an improvisation instead)

 

It is my personal perception.... Anybody can feel otherwise for sure...

Nikolaeva :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOCSBnCvOOQ&list=RDLOCSBnCvOOQ&start_radio=1

 

Gould:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAwgP7wpCYM&list=PLfdMKJMGPPty3BvGUEGJeCidp-lJsk_xF

 

Remember : i enjoy the two musicians here. But one seems more ascending  in the depth...

The same goes for me with the astonishing comparison between two versions of the Well tempered Klavier of Bach i loved...

 

The Version of Vladimir Feltsman  is the one i loved the most  for the same reason compared to the magnificent  perfectly controlled version of  Andras Schiff:

There is plenty of others great versions of the klavier... I do not claim to know which is better... None is.... But i prefer those which is more akin to what i perceive as an internal gesture time dimension ....But i did not loose my pleasure listening the others as reading  any major  poets as Rilke for example  dont erase the pleasure to read minor but good one ...

Feltsman : 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhpUeXI1fBs&list=PLzI6BT2ZG_AdecV0laI3t5kYmAl8bhSnf

 

Schiff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnwy1xtFRk&list=PL1gAgJIplj-ksyosRdPE_-4FVlkp2oIbo

 

Here two i enjoy these two versions the most compared to others...but my favorite is Feltsman ....

 

I walk four hours each day and i listened music (mostly Bach) on my Hidizs dap with excellent farsoo  kph40  headphone Koss  clone ...

I enjoy all Bach interpretations...I had at least 15 versions of "the art of the fugue" , probably the greatest musical work ever written. Interpretations i enjoy the most save the Felstman or Schiff one, is with Marriner  orchestra or with Ristenpart...But i like them all ...angel

 

During my recent return to records over the last few years, I opened a can of worms when I came upon a sealed copy of a Dimitris Sgouros (I'll have to dig out the title for you later) record. I honestly did not know who this kid was at the time. Belated 56th birthday to this kid who now shares my age hahaha. Time to revisit.