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Went to CES this year to work on my transition to high Rez digital. I've heard many of the highly regarded players in my room or in others systems in the past. I'm actually very happy with my current cd based sound. As I listened to various DACS playing CD then high Rez, I was not bowled over. High rez was better, but only slightly so. The best (and most different) sound I heard happened to have one similarity. They were 2 non oversampling DACS with tube analog stages(Zanden and Ypsilon). These were without question the most natural sounding digital systems I heard at the show. They made CDsound miles ahead of high Rez. What gives?

PS: I understand the limitations of show auditions.
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Bill,
The Killer DAC sounds like something that I'd really enjoy. A component with one purpose, getting to the core of music's beauty, natural, realistic tone, vibrancy, harmonic richness and will convey the deep emotion of music. So much emphasis today seems directed toward the analytical hifi, ultra detailed, audiophile checkbox sound, it's very contrived and soul less to my ears.
The Killer DAC builder apparently loves and respects the art of music and the talent/efforts of the musicians.
Charles,
OK - I also took on over my Playback Designs MPD3, which, prior to the Phasure, was the best DAC I had heard via DSD

In my experience, PCM to DSD converters are very tricky and can vary dramatically when it comes to sound quality.

Can you do an experiment? Convert some of your favorite PCM files to DSD64 or DSD128 using JRiver 19 Media Center, as I feel their PCM to DSD modulator is superb. Once done, feed the resulting DSD files through your MPD-3 and see what happens against your PCM DAC playing the same PCM files?

Best wishes,
Alex Peychev
Thanks Bill for the detailed post. I look forward to hearing a formal report of the shootout down under. I share your sentiments about digital music reproduction. A recent Audioshark review of the Lumin transport put it best:

Digital sucks. There, I said it. To be honest, I really don’t want to dislike my digital because it is so convenient, but vinyl has always sounded better in my system. Those close to me know I have been on a DAC merry-go-round for several years now. I have cycled through so many DAC’s that I’ve lost count and too embarrassed to say, but it is somewhere around 20. In that time, I have had the pleasure of owning or trying some wonderful sounding DAC’s, but in the end, they always drove me back to vinyl as my preferred source.

To me, computer audio has always produced this “edge”, this hyper resolving presentation which often creates listener fatigue. Sonic characteristics which have always sent me running for my turntable.

In addition, with computer audio you have the added frustration and expense of dealing with a Windows PC or Mac. As someone who works on a computer all day, the last thing I want to be bothered with in my listening room is virus scans, fighting adware, phishing attacks or worrying about the latest software update or new version of the operating systems. I just want to listen.

Digital does indeed suck. There is always something ever so slightly askew. I don't own a vinyl rig, but in those escapist moments, my subconscious mind dreams of some big brass platter. A lot of the "solutions" for sale seem to fall short and somehow desecrate the music. Not just absence of fatigue but lifelike dynamics and energy. That is a razor's edge. Many NOS or tube dacs fails in that department. Reclockers fail. Upsampling fails. Hi rez and DSD fails.

Your observations about transports are also spot on. I have told people (and myself) that the transport game is as hard as the dac element. I am interested to see where that all goes in the next 2-3 years with the entrance of Sony back into the game, Lumin, etc.

It does seem like there are a lot of promising pieces coming down the pike. The Trinity dac is making waves over at Audioexotics: (http://www.audioexotics.hk/index.php?option=com_simplestforum&view=postlist&forumId=1&parentId=10845&topic=true&Itemid=53) where it panned a dcd stack.

Phasure is starting to get more traction and formal exposure in the US is growing (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/whos-tried-phasure-nos1-digital-analogue-converter-18457/). We have a shootout planned with the Lampizator in Atlanta in late Jan/early Feb. There is also a gentleman in Hong Kong who now owns Phasure, a Lampi L5 with DSD, and a DCS stack. A formal shootout is still pending.

The Lampizator L7 is making waves in Hong Kong (http://www.review33.com/m/forum_msg.php?db=1&tstart=0&s=&topic=47121019144020&start=20&sort=&number=59) and has been competitive with big dollar tables. We are still waiting for a comparison with the Trinity.

Finally, your description of the Killer dac sounds.....killer. I am a fan of that chip. DDDAC, a DIY outfit from German (http://www.dddac.de), made quite a splash with their kit based on that chip (and more recently on the 1794). People have traded in big dollar rigs for those cheap kits. The report is that it sounds like music and NOT digital. I look forward to hearing how this whole things shapes up.
As someone who used a turn table for many happy years and still hears them in the systems of friends, digital doesn't "suck" at all. I listen to music long and often and enjoy it immensely and experience much emotional involvement. I'm in jazz clubs 3-4 times a month so I feel my ears certainly are use to natural sound. Neither analog or digital front ends fully capture the live acoustic experience I hear, but both can come close enough to be very satisfying. But I don't pursue a " perfect" sound rather I just want a reasonably organic character with realistic tone, body and harmonic beauty-honesty. I believe a good digital system delivers that these days. I avoid hifi sounding components like the plague.
Charles,
Digital does indeed suck. There is always something ever so slightly askew. I don't own a vinyl rig, but in those escapist moments, my subconscious mind dreams of some big brass platter. A lot of the "solutions" for sale seem to fall short and somehow desecrate the music. Not just absence of fatigue but lifelike dynamics and energy. That is a razor's edge. Many NOS or tube dacs fails in that department. Reclockers fail. Upsampling fails. Hi rez and DSD fails.

I will personally disagree as I have demonstrated at a recent audio show in Norway how vinyl recorded to DSD sounds exactly like the vinyl on A-B test. This actually shocked some hard-core vinyl loving audiophiles and reviewers.

In the event of vinyl vs. digital shootout, I personally don't know of any other way, except using something recorded direct to disc/vinyl and direct to DSD, without additional mastering, usually done by different recording engineers. For example MFSL Patricia Barber "Night Club" 45rpm audiophile pressing was mastered by someone else and, in my opinion, sounds somewhat inferior to the MFSL SACD.
This said, I use the vinyl/SACD bundle Bassface Trio Plays Gershwin by Stockfish. For me, with this bundle, I can really tell the difference between vinyl and digital.

Best,
Alex Peychev