Do you think you need a subwoofer?

"well you use the best tools for measure:your experiences ears/brain,through them(IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT KNOW HOW)you know if things are fine"!!!!!!!!.......

Raul,didn't I emphatically,(and obviously hopelessly) state "that" thought...."multiple times",with you completely ignoring this?.....Amazingly, NOW you use this response(your own words) as a way to avoid a legitimate question from another poster!....When I,myself, took the time to post my own,and experienced friends', same exact experiences,you seemed to completely ignore this,and claimed I did not understand the subject of the thread/bass/IMD!!....Unbelieveable!!!!....Before you get upset,just understand that you are not under attack,from me or anyone else here!And this should be just a good debate(even if somewhat heated).

As I had mentioned before,there are those people who feel there are alternative "Views" to the subject.I am one of them!...Yet,still I believe you have a superb system,and knowledge of music reproduction...in a home environment.A very good thing,IMO!

You asked me a few threads ago if I "understand" the subject...The answer I "did" give you(in my overly long post),but let me state simply....YES!....Yet,I am still adamant about my own "polite" and valid response to you.....Do you understand "MY OWN" point at all??

Also,PLEASE do not think I am attacking you,or trying to embarass you,as you know I have "always" been a BIG fan(and consider myself a friend)of yours.I always view your thoughts as coming from a person with great enthusiasm, and not intentionally insulting!You know(I hope) that I have defended you many times in the past!.....Here,it is JUST that you are SO stubborn,that I simply cannot remain silent!...though I am definitely NOT spending more time on this,here.

You seem frustrated by my counter arguement,but seem to refuse to understand what I am stating,which is NOT far from your own thoughts!!....Just an alternative approach..."under SOME circumstances"!"Under certain(not uncommon)conditions"!..."my ear/brain/experience" emphatically tells me this IS so!

BTW,do you have wooden flooring,or some other material under the system?Just curious.

I will not post about this, here, again as I am played out,but I will ALWAYS find you an interesting/passionate/enjoyable hobbyist....even if you are stubborn as heck(a joke) -:)...now go listen to some classical music...maybe Oliver Messien's Turangaleila Symphony,on EMI!That should tell you alot..."WITHOUT TEST MEASUREMENTS"! -:)
Best...as always,and I do mean "best" to you!

Hi Raul, you said, "I'm not against those kind of measurements but according with your point maybe the Agon forums must dissapear because how can you believe what any one say/talk if they don't have measurements about?"

Raul, I never said that measurements were the be all, end all of fine music reproduction. I have never said that in any post. I have said that it is optiomal to get a good inroom response from your equipment and room which will allow you to hear all that your system is capable of, no more, no less. I believe that there are so many great pieces of equipment out there, that are very capable of fine music reproduction, but that few people are really hearing what their system is capable of. I just want you, myself and anyone reading this to be able to get the best that is possible out of their system, and not by spending more on speakers or equipment in a misguided effort to cure a non-existant problem ( their equipment is just fine ) as is mine and yours. I will not be replacing my Hagerman Trumpet phono stage nor my Acoustat sixes which, I have owned for 22 years. Why should I? Are they incabable, no. Are there better phono preamps and speakers, yes. Does it matter to me? No. I am not spending $$$$$ on new equipment. But I sure as hell would like to get the most out of what I have. That does include tweaking my equipment. I would like a new motor for my TNT, I would like to upgrade the pots on my Bassis etc and I also would like to hear what those changes bring. And that includes the room.

Bob

Bob,I could not agree more,with your "audio philosophy",as stated in your last post.

Dear Sirspeedy: You like it ah!, this is your fourth comeback for...!!!

Mark, no I don't ignore you when you posted about: things are that what Bob ask and this main thread subject are totally different, tha's all. I understand your point too: totally.

Now, maybe you can/could think : if you don't ignore what I posted and understand my point why don't " accept " it?, well the IMD/HD subject ( subs/speakers ) is a very complex one and IMHO almost only when we experience it in our today system or any today system we can/could say that we already have that know-how, not before.

What I mean with experience it: I mean that we already had the opportunity to compare the same system with the " normal " IMD/HD " ( speakers. ) and with a lower one ( adding two subs in stereo fashion using the low-pass and high-pass crossover filters in a true satellite/subs configuration ).

Now, if you tell me that you already had that experience ( a in deep comparison. ) in your own ( today ) system or in an other today system then please accept my apologies for my past posts to you on the subject. Please no assumptions/imagination here: only facts.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Raul,I DID state my experiences,in a "today,or any other today, and yesterday" system!As my friend Sid Marks always states---"if I cannot hear the distortion(or my friends cannot either)then I don't care"....He knows a thing or two about music,as he wrote ALL of the Mercury Living Presence and many RCA LP reviews for TAS,back in the glory days.

He is also a bass fanatic,and I mean "fanatic"!!So if he has no issues with my low freq response,I don't worry too much.

Also,something I would understand you not being aware of(since you are not familiar with my speakers),is my current "main" speaker system has a very complex crossover(two separate ones,at 55 lbs each)which have select/custom damping circuits,that specifically are designed to eliminate IMD,downd to about 28 hz!The system is tri-wired due to this configuration.I "should have" mentioned this before,BUT I did state "this" configuration has given me the better low freq performance(not "more bass",but superior "pitch defined" low bass,and THAT is a big issue unto itself)of all previous "yesterday" set-ups,which had two subs employed in them.

I admit to not mentioning this before,so there could be some confusion here....Sorry!

BTW,you don't have to keep responding to me,as I am sure you are busy with other things,and I would like to move on as well.

Best,as always -:)