Which cartridge is the Imaging/soundstaging champ


Hello all:
I'm a new participant in these forums, though I've read virtually every post for the last 18 months. I'm a new owner of a Scoutmaster/JMW 9.
I got a Grado Statement Sonata as a starter cartridge(also using the VPI 3 gm headshell weight), and feel like I've gotten it set up pretty wel(VTA/VTF/SRA seem as good as I can get them). I have a nice high resolution system but can't seem to create an outrageously terriffic soundstage with pinpoint imaging like my digital front end can. I really can only listen to SOTA digital recordings at this point as my analog front end is just so superior overall. I do miss the excellent imaging and stage specificity though. I'm using the Cardas Neutral Reference phono cable into my EAR 864 preamp (with wonderful Mullard NOS tubes).
I feel the Grado is the culprit. What do you think? Which cartridge in the $750-$1500 range would be the imaging champ?
Thanks for your help.
Jim
jdolgin
Jim,
Interesting question!
One element of the performance of the ZYX cartridges is that they all seem to reduce surface noise. I believe I've read here that some attribute that to the microridge stylus shape. I'm not sure if that's what does it, but whatever the reason, I can attest that my Airy 3 does a better job of sifting thru surface noise than most other cartridges I've heard. It makes many of my thrift shop & garage sale finds much more enjoyable than when I had my Shelter 501II.
Perhaps someone else can expand on if the microridge shape is the main reason the ZYX carts exhibit this behavior. Cheers,
Spencer
Jdolgin,

Just to add a bit more to affirm some comments already made:

As Sbank notes, the Shelter 501 sounds superb in the JMW-9 tonearm (whether regular or Signature version). Here is yet another example of theory not playing out in reality. My experience also is based on listening to Slipknot1's system on many occasions (and again just this past week as we traded around some amplifiers in his system).

The Grado Sonata is a lovely cartridge in many respects, but pinpoint imaging is not it's strong suit. It would not surprise me at all that your digital system shows greater image specificity than the Sonata. The Grado Reference and Statement cartridges are much more competent in this regard than the Sonata, but they also are not as strong in this particular area as several of the other cartridges mentioned in this thread. The Grados do have have other fine characteristics, however, and I have enjoyed various Grado models in my system over the years.

Regards,
SirSpeedy,
You must have been one of those AS was thinking of. Who else published the definitive guide to adjusting damping fluid in a Graham?! The dealers don't understand it 1/10 as well as you. AS is right, we have a great group here and we all learn as much as we teach.

Jim,
If you think about what we're trying to achieve in vinyl playback it's pretty simple. (To understand, not to do!)

We are attempting to exactly replicate the record manufacturing process, but in reverse. If our rigs could do that, with no distortion of any kind, then the signal coming from our cartridge would exactly equal the signal that went to the cutting head. That would be perfection in vinyl playback.

No rig can actually do this of course (except Rushton's!), but we seek to eliminate or reduce as many roadblocks as we can. One roadblock is this: the original lacquer was cut by a stylus whose profile was thinner and whose edges were sharper than ANY playback stylus.

Therefore, every decent LP has modulations cut into the grooves smaller than the radius of any playback stylus's contact surfaces. Even the best playback stylus cannot "see" all the musical information that's there.

What to do? Clearly, if accurate reproduction is our goal we must use a stylus that can read as many of these fine modulations as possible. Different stylus profiles will directly affect the accuracy of our playback.

CONICAL (sometimes called spherical, incorrectly)
These are shaped exactly as the word says, like a small ice cream cone. At any given level their contact radius is a perfect circle equal to the radius of the entire stylus. This radius is orders of magnitude larger than the radius of the edge on a cutting stylus, so a conical stylus will just slide right past fine modulations without reacting. Cartridges with conical styli will always have the worst HF response, other things being equal. They have progressively greater and more audible problems as they approach inner grooves, where the size of modulations for a given frequency is smaller than on outer grooves. Inner groove distortion will tend to be worse with a conical stylus than with other shapes that can read small modulations more accurately.

ELLIPTICAL
These are more egg-shaped when viewed in cross section. An ellipse has multiple radii, and the two small radii define the sides that contact the groove walls. This means they read HF modulations better and distort on inner grooves less, compared to a conical type. Since the stylus's cross section is no longer a "dumb" circle, stylus rake angle (SRA) starts to become a factor. Conical styli are fairly insensitive to SRA, elliptical styli are more so.

LINE CONTACT
These have long, fairly sharp contact edges. They can "see" and trace much smaller modulations than an elliptical stylus. The length and fineness of the contact lines makes azimuth adjustment and SRA extremely critical. Choosing a line contact stylus but ignoring these adjustments would largely waste the cartridge's potential.

MICRO-RIDGE
This is the most complex shape among today's styli. Imagine an ellipse (more or less) but with a very thin ridge sticking straight out from each end. Each ridge has a very small radius edge. This profile sees the finest modulations of all AFAIK. This means azimuth and SRA are still very critical. Micro-ridge styli are best at tracing small modulations, so they have the least problems on tight inner grooves. I have a few inner groove torture test LP's that no conical or elliptical stylus that I've tried can play cleanly. It takes a top quality cartridge with a micro-ridge stylus to make those grooves sound like music instead of a fingernails on a blackboard.

Obviously the rest of the cartridge will also impact the sound, but in general conical styli (lower level Grado's for instance) have great mids, rolled off highs and frequent inner groove problems. Elliptical styli occupy the middle ground. Micro-ridge and line contact styli offer the potential for superior frequency response and lower distortion on challenging passages, but also require more care in setup.

I'm not sure why a micro-ridge stylus should ride quieter in the groove than other shapes, but I agree with Sbank. The ZYX's I've tried (six different models) were uniformly excellent in this respect, and better than most other cartridges I've heard. Paradoxically, they also require the records to be cleanest to perform their best. The tiniest fleck of dust will impair micro-dynamics, imaging and soundstaging without necessarily raising the noise level.

I haven't heard a JMW. I have heard Shelters on a Graham 2.2, Basis Vector and other non-unipivot arms, as most of you know (too well!). Micro-dynamics and imaging were better on the (stabilized) Vector than on the (less stabilized) Graham, and arms with more stable bearings did better still. That was the origin of my comment about unstabilized unipivots vs. other designs. This was only one system and five or six arms, so I may be all wet in my conclusions. That's just what I heard.
Dougdeacon:

Wow, thanks for such and ereudite discussion! This explains a lot.
So I guess the critical question is this: Will the JMW 9 arm allow
one of the better ZYX cartrides display their excellent detail retreival properties, or is the law of dinishing returns alive and well in this arm.
Is is more reasonable to use one of the sub $1000 Dynavectors, Helikons?
Will something like the Airy 2 shine or will its potential be wasted?
Certainly the Shelter 501 has many proponents. I'm willing to spring for the $$$
for the airy if its' potential is realized.
Thanks again
JIm
Jim,

The JMW-9's fairly low effective mass actually makes a ZYX a better *theoretical* match than a Shelter, at least as far as compliance is concerned.

To get optimal bass and dynamics from a ZYX on a fairly low mass arm you'd need to increase mass at the headshell by 6g or so, much as VPI recommends and supplies a headshell weight for cartridges like Shelters.

ZYX offers their own optional weight on the Airy 2 and above. Another option would be choose a less costly ZYX and use VPI's headshell weight or fabricate your own.

Would you hear the difference between an Airy 2 and your Grado Statement Sonata? Absolutely. The differences are enormous, beyond comparison even. Would you hear "everything" the Airy 2 is capable of? Frankly I don't know, since I've never heard/used a JMW. You might ask Mehran. He probably has JMW owners using his cartridges. Or post that question here or on VA.

Whether you should choose Lyra, Shelter, ZYX or something else depends alot on your sonic goals and musical tastes. Since imaging and soundstaging are what you mentioned first I'd focus on Lyra, ZYX and possibly Dynavector. At sub-$4K price levels Lyras are a touch lean, cool or analytical. Dyna's a trace rich in the mids. ZYX's fall in between, they always seem to be neutral. It's a matter of matching your tastes and system.

BTW, make sure you have appropriate gain and impedance from your phono stage before buying any LOMC. Otherwise you're wasting your money.