SCHEU Premier substitution

Hi Sirspeedy,

Scheu got a real visual winner on their hands with the new table. I cannot wait to hear the sonic benefits of this design (if any). It is interesting that they are moving away from the one of the primary design criterion of the late Thoms Scheu (and subsequent Teres, Galibier, Red Point, etc. crew) regarding minimal plinth surface area. Hmmm, one has to wonder if marketing appeal is taking precedence.

As to the "Darkmoebius" moniker, 5-6 years ago I originally wanted "Dr. Moebius", but that was already taken. So, this variation was the first thing that poped to mind. It i a mixture of homge to the movie "Forbidden Planet", the Moebius Strip, MC Escher, the futurist/fantasy comic book artist Moebius all mixed together.

I'm kinda a SciFi geek.

I read recently (I believe here) that the motor on the Premier ll and other Scheu were not as good as the motor on the Teres or Galibier or Redpoint. Any comments Darkmoebius or anyone else? Any comments on the Scheu versus the Galibier/ Teres??

Rick (RWD)

Dear Ad010685: +++++ " Which brand/models will be an overall improvement? " +++++

I think that the Basis ( with the vacuum hold down ), Galibier or Acoustic Signature will be a very good choices but there are others, that depend on your budget.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

RWD,
I haven't owned any of the Teres, Galibier, or Redpoint TT's simply because there is a substantial price difference between they and the Scheu. So, I really can't offer any informed opinion on the motors. The lowest priced Teres is still $1k more(1.5x), the Galibier is $2.2k more(2x plus), and Redpoint A is $6k more(4x) the Scheu.

But, I do have a KAB Speedstrobe which is accurate to 0.03% at both 45 and 33.3 rpms and once the Scheu is tuned in, it doesn't show any visual variation at all. I have a geeky habit of checking when the TT is first turned a few LP's in and after a few hours.

Are there micro-fluctuations within the visual siting? Possibly, but I haven't been able to detect them by ear yet. I would think pitch variations would be detectable in sustained notes of solo musicians. My system is fairly revealing and accurate, so I would think any pitch fluctuations would stand out. Who knows, though?

In fact, Scheu is developing a new, better motor, to go with the new model, which according to some German audiophiles who have already listened to it, offers not only a new design, but even better bass and soundstaging. I have listened to Acoustic Signature tables, and while I agree they are fine tables, they too IMHO do not play at the same level as the Scheu, at the same price.