Shelter 90X Tracking Force


What is the best for the 90X. I a full blown LP-12/Ittok LV II arm. I am currenlty tracking at 1.9 gm based on my dealer recommendation.
xagwell
Thanks. Yeah this cartridge is revealing things I never paid attention to before.....and I almost bought a Zyx airy, but my dealer suggested this would provide a better fit for the sound I was after. Actually it was going to be a 901 and a Agon member suggested the 90X. I am glad I listened. I am still curious though about the Zyx/Dynavector. Take care, this stuff never ends.
xagwell,
I have not heard the ZYX Airy but if it sounds better than the 90x that's almost scary.
Sit
Hello all,

A bit of generic advice about high performance cartridges and tracking force ...

You've seen quite a bit of action on electronic stylus force gauges both here and on various other forums - gauges accurate to within .01 grams. You will find this level of precision to matter with cartridges at this level of resolution.

One thing to bear in mind is that you should measure tracking force at RECORD LEVEL.

Depending on the tonearm, you can have as much as a .3 gram difference between measuring at scale level and at record level. With the Schröders you'll be off by about .3 grams. With other arms you'll likely be off by less.

This has nothing to do with the absolute "goodness" of one arm over the other - we are after all tracking at record level and not 3/4" above the record.

Another thing to keep in mind is that every Shure gauge I've cross validated measures about .3 grams optimistic - with a 2.5 gram reading being in fact be closer to 2.2 grams. If have a Shure gauge, you can work around part of this error.

Position the Shure gauge so that 2 of its pads at its base overhang the record platter. This will lower the scale a slightly. This is a trick I picked up from Franks Schröder. Depending on your tonearm, you may not be able to cue your stylus down, but if you can, you'll get closer to an accurate reading. The scale will be slightly tilted, so take this into account as you line the pointer up in the mirrored area.

I've demonstrated the effect of a .05 gram change to several people on both a Dynavector XV-1s and a ZYX Universe (on both a Triplanar and Schröder Reference) - to their slack-jawed amazement.

Now, the first observation you'll correctly make is that a subtle change in tracking force affects the VTA/SRA as you load/unload the cartridge's suspension. We accounted for this by adjusting VTA/SRA both up and down. The effect you'll observe is far more gross and different in character than the result of a VTA/SRA change.

The most recent instance of this demonstration involved a Dynavector XV-1s, which I started out with a measured 1.92 gram tracking force on a Triplanar tonearm. Tracking was wonderful - contrary to numerous comments on this forum about the necessity of tracking as high as 2.5 grams.

The setup sounded a bit sluggish however - as if the turntable was running slow. I verified that the table was running on speed. The effect was that of Ricki Lee Jones' band sounding as if they were stuck in an all-night drive through Wyoming in a snow storm - with a white-knuckled bass player at the wheel. If you've ever driven through a Wyoming blizzard, you know how spent you'll feel the next day.

I lightened the force to 1.87, and BINGO! They sounded well rested and on tempo!

The above anecdote is one reason I tend to ignore comments about a cartridge's PRaT or its absence. Not to sound dismissive, but no post I've ever read on an analog setup has taken this aspect of setup into account.

People tend to think of tracking force in terms of mistracking, or in extreme instances from the perspective of maintaining the windings in the linear area of the cartridge's magnetic field. You never hear mention of under/over damping the resonant system.

On the subject of these posts on the Dyna XV-1s needing to track at 2.5 grams, I spoke with the US Dynavector distributor. He too is puzzled as to how these folks are setting up their arm and cartridge. Now, bear in mind that my above experience is limited to two tonearms at present - an 18 gram effective mass Schröder Reference, and a Triplanar (about 12 grams).

It's possible that some of the other arms in the 9.5 to 10.5 gram range behave differently. I would advise these individuals to re-visit their setup, and if you still find yourself needing to track at 2.5 grams, to increase your effective mass by adding a headshell weight - resetting the tracking force after the fact of course.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Tom thanks a mil. Although I have a Shure Gauge, I had my Linn dealer fine tune my initial set up of the Shelter 90X. The Shelter dealer recommended the TF of 1.9. I will probably leave it alone as I am more set it/forget it until it is time for my annual LP-12 tune up. Someday in the near future I will be ready to graduate from my LP-12. I have seriously read/researched your table. It remains confusing however that Stereophile rankings contain such a wide price margin within the class i.e. LP-12 and Quattro yet I remain excited about the opportunity to own yours. Once again thanks for the feedback.
Hi Xagwell,

There's a lot to be said about set and forget. You get to focus on the music and that's not a bad thing at all ...

If you get bored (and only if you get bored), you of course can obtain a more precise gauge. I would not mess around if I had "only" a Shure gauge because your results would not be repeatable. The subtle changes in pacing can be quite remarkable with fine cartridges like your 90x.

I've had quite a few questions as of late about the "Class B" rating. I don't want to hijack this thread to discuss this, but it's been on my mind to expand on the my manufacturer's comments (published in Stereophile and posted on my Rants page).

Stereophile limits manufacturers to 750 words. Between not wanting to be ungracious and the word count limitation, I left a lot out. My first draft was over 2,000 words. As Mark Twain once wrote "I would have written you a shorter letter, but I didn't have the time". It was painful to snip all of my comments. In the next week or so, I plan on publishing my thoughts on my Rants page.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier