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Is analog & vinyl anoying? Is it worht it.

Yeah it may be better than digital. But come on. 3K+ for a cartridge. Cleaning machines. Preamps. VTA adjustments. noisy records. expensive software. By the time you get it all set up you are ready to just turn on the tv and watch Sportscenter. Is there any alternative?
gregadd
gregadd OP
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Pauly,Pauly, Pauly!

"Far from making any vinyl-phile think differently, all you are achieving is demonstrating ignorance."

I took no hard position, this is a discussion, not the advocation of a position. "

I have posted on other threads that I enjoyed the "purification ritual"

I also said that digital is like a clone of vinyl it has no soul.

I just think vinyl wears on me. The price and the constant adjustments. Some people love it.

"If you do not really care much for music, CDs are fine. Vinyl is for people that really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't.

One thing I do is love music. If I just run across a musician playing music for donations at a subway entrance. If I hear a song on the radio and sit my car after I've stopped waitning for it to end. Listening to a walkman or ipod. I love music and don't care where it comes from.
oilmanmojo
472 posts
 
My daughter is a good example of how to answer this question. She is 19 and loves music. She grew up listening to music in various medias(radio, television, vinyl, satellite, CD, MP3, downloads, etc). Her download and CD collection puts my modest vinyl collection to shame. I gave her my michell gyrodec and a few lp's, I recently purchased a maplenoll(tweakers delite)and had the gyrodec just gathering dust. She now goes to yardsales, antiques shops, pawnshops collecting vinyl. Her taste are varied so she has records from the 30's to present. I ask her why, she said the vinyl makes her appreciate the music more and it is more intimate. The sound is much better than the most of the downloaded music and in her opinion has more passion or depth than her CD's. She readily says the vinyl is more timeconsuming and is a little fussy but when she is at home and has a choice she breaks out the records. I have quite a few CD's that I listen to in my car and have done side by side comparisons with my vinyl rig and feel the vinyl is better. I have a few SACD recordings of my favorite LP's and really can not tell too much difference but I personally prefer vinyl. In my opinion, yes the vinyl is more work but worth the hassle.
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shadorne
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As I said before. If you do not really care much for music, CDs are fine. Vinyl is for people that really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't.

I often agree with your astute comments Pauly. However, this time you have me bewildered.

Surely people who like and enjoy music to a high degree would choose to listen to CD's or whatever popular medium of choice with the most widely available selection.

Gregadd's point about additional cost, limited music selections, and listening time lost tinkering around with previous generation technology is a fair one. Even if, as you contest, Vinyl always sounds better, it is certainly not without major drawbacks.

I have some lossy compressed iTunes music store stuff that sounds great when burned to redbook (despite the lossy compression). This is not always the case but I don't go round slamming iTunes as crap for non music lovers!

Anyone who cares to download Grace Jones "Slave to the Rhythm" Hot Blooded Mix from iTunes (and burn it to a redbook CD to play on their system) will be pleasantly surprised at the recording quality! Go on try it! It may be a bit over engineered but that is the recording engineer not the AAC 128 Kbit per second compression.

Now - try to find this track in a bricks and mortar CD store or try to find it on Vinyl!

So why did I download this poorer quality file?...because I love music!!! - so I do this kind of thing all the time to supplement my library. Music lovers hear something on the radio and bingo they impulsively want to get it. Music lovers often want all the alternate versions of a song/symphony that they like (live, re-mix, 12" monster mix, radio-edit, different venues, different conductors/orchestras etc.)

Given a modest quality Hi-Fi, music lovers realize that the musicians/venue/recording/mastering studio actually has a bigger impact on the sound & musical quality than the media it arrives; tape, Vinyl, CD, or iTunes. Just my two cents from 'ol "tin ears"!
newbee
4,811 posts
 
"As I said before if you do not really care much for music, CD's are fine. Vinyl is for people who really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't."

What bovine feces. Arrogant, pretentious, etc etc. 'ol "tin ears" is right, tin ears or not! You are making a joke, or a point, but surely you are not serious.

Do you honestly think that vinyl sounds more like live music than CD's? If you do you should get out more often to live unamplified events. Both formats are so far from real music that I have heard that any comparisons, IMHO, are rediculous and no more than an exercise in mental masturbation.

FWIW I'm very familar with both formats in well set up systems and with live music as well as practicing musicians with one great notible exception. I didn't actually know Herbert Von Karajan. I assume you don't know who he was - FYI he was a great orchestra conductor from Germany who was very involved with the recording process as well as conducting his performances - announced upon hearing digital that "everything else is gas light".

The vast majority of musicians I actually know couldn't care less about the differences between vinyl or CD's. What ever is convenient will do just fine. Are you thinking that they don't like music or appreciate what they do with their life?

Pauly, here is a challenge for you. Tell us exactly what makes vinyl more enjoyable to "music lovers" than digital or any other format. But do this without using audiophile terms which only apply to the language of 'sound lovers'.

Bet you can't ..............
pauly
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+++ I love music and don't care where it comes from. +++

Correction, you love music but you don't care what it sounds like. You're on the wrong forum.

Regards
Paul
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