Is analog & vinyl anoying? Is it worht it.

As I said before. If you do not really care much for music, CDs are fine. Vinyl is for people that really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't.

I often agree with your astute comments Pauly. However, this time you have me bewildered.

Surely people who like and enjoy music to a high degree would choose to listen to CD's or whatever popular medium of choice with the most widely available selection.

Gregadd's point about additional cost, limited music selections, and listening time lost tinkering around with previous generation technology is a fair one. Even if, as you contest, Vinyl always sounds better, it is certainly not without major drawbacks.

I have some lossy compressed iTunes music store stuff that sounds great when burned to redbook (despite the lossy compression). This is not always the case but I don't go round slamming iTunes as crap for non music lovers!

Anyone who cares to download Grace Jones "Slave to the Rhythm" Hot Blooded Mix from iTunes (and burn it to a redbook CD to play on their system) will be pleasantly surprised at the recording quality! Go on try it! It may be a bit over engineered but that is the recording engineer not the AAC 128 Kbit per second compression.

Now - try to find this track in a bricks and mortar CD store or try to find it on Vinyl!

So why did I download this poorer quality file?...because I love music!!! - so I do this kind of thing all the time to supplement my library. Music lovers hear something on the radio and bingo they impulsively want to get it. Music lovers often want all the alternate versions of a song/symphony that they like (live, re-mix, 12" monster mix, radio-edit, different venues, different conductors/orchestras etc.)

Given a modest quality Hi-Fi, music lovers realize that the musicians/venue/recording/mastering studio actually has a bigger impact on the sound & musical quality than the media it arrives; tape, Vinyl, CD, or iTunes. Just my two cents from 'ol "tin ears"!

"As I said before if you do not really care much for music, CD's are fine. Vinyl is for people who really like and enjoy music to a high degree. You obviously don't."

What bovine feces. Arrogant, pretentious, etc etc. 'ol "tin ears" is right, tin ears or not! You are making a joke, or a point, but surely you are not serious.

Do you honestly think that vinyl sounds more like live music than CD's? If you do you should get out more often to live unamplified events. Both formats are so far from real music that I have heard that any comparisons, IMHO, are rediculous and no more than an exercise in mental masturbation.

FWIW I'm very familar with both formats in well set up systems and with live music as well as practicing musicians with one great notible exception. I didn't actually know Herbert Von Karajan. I assume you don't know who he was - FYI he was a great orchestra conductor from Germany who was very involved with the recording process as well as conducting his performances - announced upon hearing digital that "everything else is gas light".

The vast majority of musicians I actually know couldn't care less about the differences between vinyl or CD's. What ever is convenient will do just fine. Are you thinking that they don't like music or appreciate what they do with their life?

Pauly, here is a challenge for you. Tell us exactly what makes vinyl more enjoyable to "music lovers" than digital or any other format. But do this without using audiophile terms which only apply to the language of 'sound lovers'.

Bet you can't ..............

+++ I love music and don't care where it comes from. +++

Correction, you love music but you don't care what it sounds like. You're on the wrong forum.

Regards
Paul

Shadorne, I did express myself incorrectly. One can love music without caring about the quality of sound.

Gregg takes the trouble to go to sport events, so he likes sport. He does not take the trouble to go to opera/recitals/concerts. He even considers spinning vinyl as too much trouble. Hence, he likes music a lot less. I think this assumption is both fair and accurate.

To open this debate illustrates he doesn't get it when it comes to enjoying good sound. Good sound is not worth it to him if it requires even a small amount of effort.

I know a couple of serious music lover who listen exclusively to CD. They are as much music lover as I. But they also spend an inappropriate amount on their gear and software, and they also regularly attend opera/recitals/concerts.

It is not about vinyl per se. Gregg doesn't understand the pleasure audiophile get from listening to good sound. Because he doesn't, the effort, time and money invested in our equipment does not make sense to him. It is in his opinion, not worth it.

In short, he is on the wrong forum.

I took the time to look at your system. I am sure you love music too; otherwise you would never have spent the money you have. However, it is clear we seek totally different things in our enjoyment of music.

For me, I don't want to hear my system. I want to hear the piano. Nothing more nothing less. No amount of convenience will ever make a lesser quality sound worthwhile.

Regards
Paul

+++ Do you honestly think that vinyl sounds more like live music than CD's? +++

No I don't think so. I know so.

+++ If you do you should get out more often to live unamplified events. +++

I have attended many hundreds.

My wife is classical pianist - I have literally spend thousands of hours listening to piano in my own home.

+++ Both formats are so far from real music that I have heard that any comparisons +++

So you say ... perhaps you should consider an equipment upgrade.

Thank you for telling me who Von Karajan was. Sadly he was not aware that fluorescent lights are in fact little else but gas light.

+++ Pauly, here is a challenge for you. Tell us exactly what makes vinyl more enjoyable to "music lovers" than digital or any other format.+++

I do not normally take challenges, but your question can hardly be described as such so I will indulge you.

The redbook format does not have the bandwidth to contain music. In short, CD is a low resolution format not suitable for high quality audio.

Regards
Paul