speaker effiency


hello can someone please tell why speakers with the same effiency, mind you different in that one is 4 ohm the other 8 ohm, that one would play loader then the other.the one that is 4ohm (thiel cs1.2 )is the one that plays loader. the other is gershman x-1.also next week i am adding the sw-1 sub.it is a passive sub.it has the same effiency as the others 87 or 88.my amp is ocm 200 (100 wpc ).will it get worse (if that's the word )
crustin
"Efficiency" is commonly mistaken for "sensitivity", as shown by the above poster. Efficiency is expressed in percent, representing how much electrical energy is converted into acoustic output. Both above postings are concerned with sensitivity, which is usually expressed as dB of output measured at 1M from a particular point of the source, with 1 watt input. This is complex, as different measuring points for the pick-up microphone will produce different results. Also the source's radiation pattern affects its rate of attenuation as a function of distance. The difference in output could be attributable to mistaken manufacturer specifications or a result of the 4 ohm speaker drawing twice the voltage of the 8 ohm speaker, or both. The question of whether or not the sub will match output is best answered by trying it out.
Correction on my last post, second to last sentence: replace "voltage" with "current"; duh...sorry.
Spkrplus, ok, what is it? Vandersteen says efficiency is measured in db/watt and Theil specs sensitivity in db/watt. I never saw any specs in terms of percent.
Efficiency is almost never (correctly) used anymore. It's useage in general has become less common since approximately the late 1960's. I know useage determines definition, but this is something serious students of the loudspeaker art & science would defend steadfastly, & the differences are worth noting. Sound & Vision Buyer's Guide 2001 (Glossary page 338) defines "efficiency" as "The percentage of electrical input power going to a speaker that is converted into acoustic energy; often used synonomously with the related concept of sensitivity." Not "is a synonym", and not "always interchangeable with", but rather "used synonmously". A girlfriend who has performed "wifely" functions can not successfully sue for divorce. Also it does not say "identical concept" or "same concept", but rather "related concept". The measurement units "percent" & "dB/watt/meter" are not always interchangeable, & not in this case. In this case "percent" expresses how much of an amplifier's power is converted into acoustic energy, while "dB/watt/meter" expresses a specific unit of sound pressure measured at a particular distance from the source with a specific measure of power applied. For instance 87% can not be compared to 87dB/watt/meter for (I hope) obvious reasons. In the former, 13% of the applied power is not converted into acoustic energy, whereas in the later, that percentage is unknown & undecipherable (form the information given, anyway). I respectfully request poster Gm to list the specific Vandersteen literature mentioned. Richard V. or anyone in his tech. dept. would agree with me & Sound & Vision. Likely the copy, if published by Richard's company, was written by an ad person who does not even know what absolute polarity is. Other reliable sources would be Brian Cheney, the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter secretary of the Audio Engineering Society (vmpsaudio@aol.com) or Galen Carol at Galen Carol Audio, who was in the technical dept. at JBL when it was known as James B. Lansing Co. If this all seems too trivial, I apologize, but as the great Jack Webb used to say, "Just the facts, m'am. Just the facts". This is a good thing about which hobbyists should know & agree upon the differences. Cheers.