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Lotus cleaning system oxygenated water for LP's?

Anyone with a Tersano Lotus water cleaning/treatment system ever tried cleaning LP's with it? The concept is they add a third oygen molecule to water, and the water becomes a super cleaning agent for about 15 minutes. They claim it cleans much better and faster than Clorox, and blog postings seem to back this up, stating stains that harsh chemical cleaners wouldn't take out were dissolved by the Lotus. This is the cleaning system I'm talking about, not the drinking water system, as that unit de oxygenates the water afterwards for drinking.

The system has a sensor for contaminants to tell you when the fruit or veggies are fully clean. I wonder as a test if an LP were vertically rotated through the water, would the sensor indicate it was eventualy free of contaminates. Of course I was more thinking of using it in a VPI, and vacuuming off the water afterwards. The creator of the unit does state that ozone (O3) can be tough on some plastics and rubber, but the LP would not be my concern, since it would be in contact only once for a short time, but rather the plastic parts of the VPI machine. The inventor has indicated they will test materials that users suggest. I haven't contacted them yet about their thoughts on LP vinyl, I figured it might be good to get some ideas from this forum to querry them about.

Thoughts?
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inpepinnovations
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If a 'final rinse' with pure water is meant by 'wet cleaning' and that the rinse in fact just carries away the debris, then a dry rinse could serve the same purpose, i.e. an air rinse using high pressure air.
Of course removing debris from the vinyl surfaces improves sound - it just seems that one needn't use a 'wet' system to do that. A good brush and a good stream of air should do for a new record! Much less chance of damaging the vinyl, also.
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Reading the original post, I think "adding a third oxygen to water..." is not what Emailists intended. Looks like whatever this product is, it is generating ozone (O3). O3 is a powerful oxidizer. Stronger than chlorine. It would be present as a dissolved gas in the water. It is extremely reactive and short-lived, however. Typically, ozone has to be generated at the point of use. It's doubtful you can buy a solution of ozonated water and expect to find any O3 after a few days - let alone months. Drinking water can be ozonated to provide initial disinfection (e.g., bottled drinking water) but in municipal water supplies ozonation doesn't provide a persistent residual that will make it to the tap in your house. Other disinfectants are used for that (e.g.,chloramines). If the Tersano system generated ozone in water "on demand" - that might give you enough time to use a solution for cleaning LPs. BUT ozone is very tough on elastomeric AND other materials. It would be a good idea to ask what residual (typically expressed in 'parts per millions')is produced and further what effects this will have on vinyl, especially if multiple cleanings of the same LP are performed.
pbb
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I saw some of the equipment you have anarchy and wouldn't call anyone wrong if I were you! If I'm wrong at least I'm not alone since Roy Gandy of Rega (who knows more about turntables than you, I dare say) is of the opinion that the obsession with cleaning vinyl albums is just that. For good measure, he also thinks that the other obsession about adjusting VTA is a waste of time. It seems that insulting me is just par for the course for you. You are a vey insecure man, I'm afraid...
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Well, I guess that shut me up.'

I hope that was not attributed to me, I try NOT to offend anyone.

The value of Audiogon forums is the exchange of information. There is no way any one of us has time to experiment with every combination available.

Your comment sparked a response and mine is just one mans opinion. I often read comments that help me, lets keep the ideas flowing.
cello
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Pbb,
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Sadly, you expounding upon that of which have not a clue...and neither does your venerable Roy Gandy.
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If you have not spent a good amount of time doing comparisons with cleaning methods (including the better cleaning solutions, RCM's and possibly steam) than you should not waste your time or space on the forum spouting your ignorance.
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I dare say Nrchy is a rather open minded, kind hearted, generous, and intelligent man. You seem to be none of the above.

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