Suspended vs. non suspended turntable


Hello all,

I am ready to begin my foray into the world of vinyl (again). Looking at the turntables out there, it seems as if there are two types - those with suspension, and those without. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each?

Keith
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Dan_ed, Admittedly, it is speculative to theorize concerning the impact of extreme LF seismic activity. However, though the effect of acoustic resonance & its harmonic content at frequencies above the fundamental LF tone is unpredictable, it is easy to observe anecdotally. A subwoofer or a stereo with good dynamics propagates strong vibrations at varying frequencies throughout the room: in the surface of racks, in the floors & window sashes, in the soft pillows of the couch, through one's foot, in the gut, etc. The TT platform, plinth and arm will all respond differently to this excitement. Tube microphonics is another common example. Whatever the merit of the knuckle-rap test, failure of this test evidences that the TT has not been isolated & suggests a probability that vibration at lesser amplitude is passing through the system. I'm panglossian enough to believe that it's better to pass than to fail this test. It’s not too much trouble to devise a decoupling platform that passes the test, and in so doing one may observe an audible improvement in focus and smoothness of HF. I doubt the improvement would be meaningfully confirmed in a frequency response test. An accelerometer on the TT would probably better indicate what’s happening.

I would posit that a sprung suspension is the best way to reliably dissipate vibration into benign LF mechanical energy. The mechanics of other more complex approaches involving constrained-layer damping are more complicated to execute reliably and with repeatable results in combination with the wide variety of rooms, platforms, racks & floor compositions in general use.

As one moves up the food chain to very expensive TTs (e.g. Rockport, Caliburn, Grand Prix), an integral platform and/or rack design becomes a holistic design element. My sense is that most standalone TTs are compromised partly by cost & partly in order to optimize performance independent of siting issues. With belt-drive TTs, there might also be trade-offs between the sometimes competing design goals of transient speed stability & resonance control. As remarked by one TT pro in these forums, even small amounts of compliance in a TT suspension (such as rubber footers under a motor) sacrifice speed stability by creating an unstable geometry between motor & platter.

A suspensionless TT on top of a decoupling platform is at least one way to separate variables that affect speed stability and resonance control, and to reconcile these two design goals. I was myself skeptical of the approach, but positive feedback from owners of unsprung tables like Raven and Scout TTs (who counter-intuitively found benefits even in combination with wall racks and concrete floors) confirmed my own results with a modded unsuspended VPI TNT. If one accepts that TT and platform/rack are a system, it’s not much of a stretch to justify tweaking individual design elements in each as to logically complement each other. The question of whether this transgresses the immaculate conception of an original designer is a matter for religion.
"The question of whether this transgresses the immaculate conception of an original designer is a matter for religion."

well put!
Posts like these are the very reason I read this forum. Excellent job, Dgarretson!
DCstep I only know what kind of sound I am after, but I don't know how to achieve it. I want something which is transparent, detailed and dynamic with good extension high and low. Dynamics are most important, because I enjoy a punchy sound. I do not need or want anything that sounds warm, mellow, etc. because my system already sounds warm and mellow. At the same time it should not be too etched or analytical. I listen to classical music and jazz, and I have been accumulating records without a turntable to play it on.

As for the budget - I forgot to mention that it has to include a record cleaning machine. I do not think that AUD$20k is that large a budget if it has to include all those things.

With respect to everyone, I am also wary of asking for equipment recommendations on internet forums because I will be inundated with suggestions with no idea how to evaluate them. I know that it's all good natured and helpful, but it can be confusing. I limit my questions to specific bite sized chunks that I can handle :) This thread has already told me that it does not matter if T/T's are suspended or not - it is the implementation that matters. Also, suspended designs or high mass designs may have an advantage if I have springy floorboards. This in itself is valuable information - at a stroke it eliminates a large number of turntables from contention.

Regards,

Keith
Keith,in all honesty I'd seek out a good dealer,who might be so inclined to give you a trial product.That is the ONLY way,other than conjecture,to evaluate something that might suit your tastes!
I am lucky to have a close friend who has an almost identical system as me.Fortunately(for me),he is obsessed with spending money on this hobby,so he is used as the proverbial guinea pig.-:)
You have a better shot with a "reliable dealer"!