Sound differences between Galibier and Teres

Cmk,

I don't doubt you heard the differences you described, but why attribute them specifically to the platters? Were the other components in the Galibier and Teres setups you auditioned all the same?

If you compared Thom's and Chris's systems in CO, you were comparing apples and oranges. Few valid, table-specific conclusions could be drawn from that. Dan_Ed made the trip you suggested, heard the differences you described and bought a Galibier. Then he visited us and learned that the diffuse-ness and softness he heard in Chris's setup had nothing to do with the turntables. In fact, Dan had to replace his entire system to begin to approach the performance of ours. The only component he didn't have to replace was his TT. The Gavia and the 320 are far more similar than different, as I said above.

Dan and I have traded a number of visits. We use identical tonearms, the same cartridge set up by the same guy, the same amplification, the same wire and we've been able to hear fairly similar speakers. My setup images and soundstages at least as well as his, and I think he'd agree. Until he replaced his amplification and wire, his Gavia was actually miles *behind* our 320 in every sonic parameter you could name - but that had nothing to do with the tables.

I think what you heard was due to differences in components or in the cartridge setups.

Doug
You could be entirely correct, but I was merely describing what I heard at that one demo, that's why I suggested he make a trip to Denver and listen to both TTs before deciding. Maybe that particular demo I heard wasn't representative, I don't know. Chris played one track on the acrylic, then switched the platter to the wood, same TT/arm/cart.

If Opus goes and actually sees/hears the systems, he should be able to get a feel for the TTs, but more importantly, know the people and what goes into their TTs, which I think is more valuable.

What you describe about the systems after the sources, I agree fully. There's no point having the best TT only the muck up the sound through the amplification/speakers.

Perhaps on my next trip to the US, I could pay you a visit?

Opus88,

Having recently traveled to Colorado to listen to these tables in addition to the TW Raven, Redpoint, Grand Prix Monaco and Ayre/Schroeder, I strongly agree that you should visit Colorado and audition for yourself. Understand that you will be listening through different and unfamiliar systems which will undoubtably influence the sound. However, you will get a good sense of the Galibier and Teres 'house sounds'. Despite the differences (and they do sound different) they share the ability to convey the essence of the music.

More importantly, you will meet Chris Brady (Teres) and Thom Mackris (Galibier). Since these tables are handmade, it is important to meet the people behind the product in order to understand their philosophy. Chris and Thom are great guys who share a passion for music. They are happy to spend the time necessary for you to feel comfortable with your decision and will help you achieve the maximum performance from their tables.

If you have not already done so, read through the multiple threads discussing this and similar topics. Folks on this thread such as Dougdeacon and Dan_ed (as well as Chris and Thom) have shared their extensive knowledge with others. Their advice is extremely helpful and often entertaining. (BTW, thanks guys!) I could be happy with either product.

FWIW, I am awaiting delivery of a Galibier Stelvio.

Jazdoc
Did you listen to a Redpoint? Any thoughts vs the tables in this thread or the Raven?

Thanks, Terry

Dan_ed: Maybe I didn't choose the best terms to describe the kind of sound I prefer. I was relying on a somewhat outdated perception that has remained fixed in my mind for quite a few years. It involved an experience I had in shifting my SME V tonearm and cartridge (can't remember which one) from my VPI to a Sota Sapphire turntable. To my ears, the VPI had a warmer, richer, almost stereotypically tube-like character, while the Sota projected more of a neutral, clean, seemingly etched quality then commonly associated with solid state sound. Maybe I should also add that I don't care for something that seems almost excessively lively.