Teres 260 or Galibier Serac?


I am finally in the market for my next table after 12 years and modding the heck out of an lp12 I am ready. I have also owned during this period a vpi scout, sota and a cj walker. I did not like the scout as I thought it was dark and mushy but the others were ok, Both Thom and Chris' designs appeal to me and appear to be great values. For the time being I am going to stick with the origin live encounter I own and will mount a ZYX yatra on the arm.
Any thoughts as to which table may be better? I am not looking for the table to add or subtract from the music, although I know they all do to a greater or lesser degree. I listen to classic jazz and rock for the most part.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
jp11801
The Verus motor allows for speed adjustment in 0.16% steps. This means that the worst case speed error will be 0.08% and the average will be 0.04%. The good news is that this figure will not change or drift over time.

The speed accuracy of the Verus motor is roughly 4x more accurate than our Reference II motor. The problem with all DC motors is that the speed is determined by voltage and load. Very small changes in load will cause the speed to change. Our experiments have shown that from a cold start that the uncompensated speed using a DC motor will drift about 3% in the time it takes to play a record side. After that table has been warmed up the drift is less, usually about 1%. So while DC motors have the huge advantage of less cogging, speed accuracy is a challenge. A servo is needed to keep the speed accurate. But this is problematic because making abrupt corrections (hunting) is detrimental to the sound. The Teres belt drive motors use a very slow correction algorithm that largely avoids hunting but the price is speed accuracy. With the algorithm used in our belt drive motors the cold speed accuracy is about 0.25% and when warmed up (1 hour of play) this figure improves to about 0.1%.

We have had 3 Verus motors returned of the 40 that have been shipped to date. One of the returned motors was purchased under false pretense and there was never an intention to keep it. The other return was someone convinced before receiving the motor that he would not like it after having corresponded with Doug. Six customers have upgraded from Reference motors and the feedback has been enthusiastic.

We have listened carefully for the smearing that Doug mentions and simply have not been able to identify anything that resembles his experience. On the contrary myself and virtually every other person that has auditioned the Verus motor find that the belt drive motors have a sound that much more resembles smearing. This discrepancy remains a mystery to me.

We experimented with using a Verus motor with 1/2” mylar tape rather than the o-ring rim drive. We thought that the sound was about in the middle between our Reference motor and the regular Verus motor. There were clear benefits from the lower levels of cogging from the Verus drive. But there were additional, separate benefits from the rim vs. belt drive.
Chris,

What has the response been to your new platters?

In case you were wondering...my Verus will *not* be returned.
Nick,

We have not shipped any of the new platters yet. If all goes well the first shipments will be next week. The response from those that have heard the new platter have been quite positive. A major upgrade over our acrylic/lead platters.
Has anyone experimented with tacky surfacing of either the belt and/or pulley and platter, using beeswax or the like? This would seem especially effective when using belts such as tape or silk rbbon that intuitively seem prone to slippage.
A tacky surface on belts has been tried but it ends up being quite noisy. The belts sticks to the platter and then releases making the belt vibrate. While belt slippage does seem to be an issue it seems that compliance (stretching) is much more important.

We experimented with a variety of materials for the drive capstan and heard surprisingly big differences. But there was no correlation between surface roughness and good sound. However, there is a clear correlation between a belts rigidity and sound, with more rigid belts consistently sounding better.

The 2 mil 1/2" wide mylar tape we use with our belt drive motors is quite rigid. But because of the long length (44+ inches) it stretches much more than we would like. The o-ring on the Verus motor is more compliant than mylar but given there is only 1/8" of it between the motor and platter the net result is a dramatic overall reduction in compliance.