Lp cleaning - scrubbing records - any downside?


I've got a VPI record cleaning machine (which I've had since the 80's, stored for 15 years, and only started using again when I got back into vinyl last year...that's one sturdy piece of equipment!)

I've "modernized" by getting myself some Mo-FI brushes, fluid, etc. And, after reading a bunch of posts on Audiogon, I recently started "scrubbing" records while they're rotating--just short, with-the-groove scrubs, not too hard.

Amazing results. Much better cleaning of "problem" Lps.

So I'm converted. (Why did it take so long? Habit, I guess.) BUT, I have the impression that certain Lp makers (EMI and DG, in particular) used vinyl that at least SEEMS softer than other vinyl, and more easily damaged. And one of the 2nd hand Lp dealers I know is of the same impression...so I guess it's not just me.

Does anybody have any negative experience with scrubbing to report? Could it damage some records?

Many thanks.
eweedhome
Hello Eweed/All
Like you, I use the Mo-Fi brush pads, and use one for each of either a 3, or 4 step AIVS cleaning process on my VPI 16.5.

The combination of letting th fluids do thier job, and then a very light scrub seems to work perfectly for me.

When I say light scrubbing, I do not apply any downforce to the LP. All I do, is let the weight of the brush pad, and its fibers do the work. I do stop Platter, scrub in a back, and forth motion 6-10 times following the LP grooves, scrub roughly A 1/3rd of the LP's surface, rotate Platter to access easily the following 1/3rd, and so on, until entire LP has been scrubbed, then vacuum, and onto the next step.

In essence, I am only just "guiding" the brush pad on the surface of LP. I think some might resort to hard scrubbing because thier cleaners may be falling short of doing what they are supposed to do.

In my personal experience, with only thrift shop finds, I might resort to an additional application of AIVS Enzymatic Cleaner, and AIVS Super Cleaner before moving onto rinse steps.

Products are getting better, and better all the time.

BTW Doug, nice seeing you back, and posting, hope all is well with you your end. Mark
Have you tried steaming. Often works better then any fluid. I've steamed many records and I have found it much better then just only scrubbing. Many units avialable for about $30.
Mark,

All is fine, thanks for asking. I've been swamped at work and will be for the foreseeable future, so my free time is limited.

Of course there's a silver lining: shorter posts! ;-)
Markd51, nice informative post. I follow exactly the same process except with the Walker Audio Prelude and brushes. The light scribbing with the brushes in the manner you've described has given me far better results in my VPI 17.5 than using the included nylon bristle brush.

One additional thought: be sure the brush or surface of the LP is well wetted before applying brush to LP surface.

Cheers,
I have found that when i look at my lp under a 30x microscope i can see what looks like a clear liquid or maybe a crystal like substance in the grooves . This is in a very small area but there are a number of these throughout the album. The album has been cleaned 6 times using the following process with AIVS cleaning system.
Enzyeme formula ,light scrub and soak for 30 min. then steam .
Super clean formula , light scrub soak for 30 min. and steam.
I have repeated this 5 times, with an inspection with the 30x microscope each time. After each cleaning the lp is getting cleaner but the clear substance in the groove has only reduced by about 50% . On the last clean i lightly scrubbed for about 3 min which did reduce it a little more. I have noted the location of these deposits in relation to the label and i am able to view it after each cleaning to monitor the progress so far. I am sure the pops i here are these deposits.
Does anyone know what these deposits are or what is the best way to remove them?
I notice when i play the album i have a buildup of white powdery residue on the stylus that is easily brushed off or removed with a Magic eraser lollipop. The albums are New old stock direct to disc that have been stored sealed for about 27 years.