Two terms I don't understand - please explain

Pace, Rhythm and Timing are nice, but I'll take Noilly Prat any day--it mixes well with gin at about 1 to 8 and makes everything sound better. ;)

Dcstep. I disagree that every TT that's not "grossly" out of whack gets pace right. I don't think belt drives in general do. My Lenco does, though. Also, poor speakers or badly matched speakers and amp can be sluggish.

I too disagree with Dcstep about PRaT. IMO it is more about subtle micro dynamic shading- even within a single note/chord as it is played. Slam is only the leading edge of the note, when you feel the kick drum hit your chest concisely for instance...

04-29-08: 4est said:
"I too disagree with Dcstep about PRaT. IMO it is more about subtle micro dynamic shading- even within a single note/chord as it is played. Slam is only the leading edge of the note, when you feel the kick drum hit your chest concisely for instance..."

Hmm, I agree with everything that you say here, so I'm wondering in what regard do we disagree. I think that PRaT is really about dynamics, as you said.

Dave

04-29-08: Rnm4 said:
"Dcstep. I disagree that every TT that's not "grossly" out of whack gets pace right. I don't think belt drives in general do. My Lenco does, though. Also, poor speakers or badly matched speakers and amp can be sluggish."

We certainly do disagree about belt drive TTs.

Now how does a bad speaker/amp mismatech impact either Pace, Rhythm or Timing? "Sluggish" maybe, but Pace, Rhythm or Timing, I don't see how.

I've heard bad speaker/amp matches manifest themselves mainly in the bass region, where a speaker needs more control and the amp can't provide it, resulting win woolly, bloomy, over ripe bass. (Nothing to do with Pace, Rhythm or Timing). I've also heard an bright amp matched with a speaker with very extended highs, resulting in a bright, etched, unpleasant treble. (Again having nothing to do with Pace, Rhythm or Timing).

I'm trying to get people to focus on the words "Pace", "Rhythm" and "Timing" and not use them to describe something that's not happening.

Dave