SME V, Tri-Planar or Phantom B-44


To be mounted on a Raven AC (only one arm) what is your system or choice. No way will I get a chance to listen to any of these where I live (France). So would like any of you here to feed opinions.

My system is :

Raven AC
Nagra VPS
Nagra PL-L
Nat Audio SE1 (SET 211 tube)
Wilson Audio WP 5.1

I would be using a Lyra Argo i

Thanks
Tim
timnaim
From experience, I know that even the tiniest change in a setup parameter (e.g., .3 mm change in height of the arm) will make a substantial difference in sound. I would bet that if one set up two "identical" arms on "identical" tables with "identical" cartridges, one would get a quite different results -- either the sound would be different or setup parameters would be quite different to get matching sound. Therefore, I have serious doubts that someone can make side-by-side comparisons that are reliable.

What then should one rely on in making a choice? At best, I think one has to go with personal experience (if one hears a good setup, it must be the case that the particular arm, and any other component in the setup, is capable of good sound in the right setup). Also, a rough consensus from people that have heard a wide range of systems is helpful.

I went with the Vector arm because an audio distribution representative personally recommended the Basis arm and table even though he does not represent the products (he has heard literally hundreds of systems and has very good ears). I have managed to work my combination of arm, table (Vector Basis Debut vacuum), Lyra Titan cartridge, and Viva Fono phonostage) into a very good sounding rig, but, I bet I could have great results with all the other arms under consideration.

A friend with a Basis 2500 table with two arms (Vector and Phantom) HATES the Phantom arm (to him it sounds lifeless and dark) and much prefers the 2.2 arm that the Phantom replaced. I would bet that this is a setup issue myself; I intend to help him work out the problems.

I have heard all three arms in question myself in systems that were well sorted and liked the sound. I would bet that any would be workable. Among people I've talked to personally there tends to be more polarized opinions about the Phantom and and the SME than the Triplanar. If the Triplanar is not someone's absolute favorite, it is still up near the top. The same can also be said of the Vector arm.
One thing for sure the damping fluid on the Phantom can make or break the tonearm / cartridge synergy. Using the recommended amount of damping fluid as per the manual is not the "right" way to go. I used much less. I would honestly suggest close to none for some cartridges.
Larryi,Larryi,Larryi -:)

Your first paragraph I absolutely agree,word for word with.Spot on!!....As usual.

Trust me,your Phantom "HATING" friend has a problem in his set-up......Period!!!Maybe fluid distribution,or another set-up parameter.I'm sure you'll help him here.Btw,make sure to get a nice bottle of wine as repay.-:)

The 2.2 I TOTALLY miss,because I "had" LP replay back then.I'll soon have LP replay again,but...

The Phantom beats the pants off the 2.2 in virtually any meaningful area!!It's not close,and I spent over a year rationalizing the "closeness" of the performance between the two....Not close!!I wish it were different,because I'd have more money,and LP replay if I still had my 2.2.

To be continued----

Best