Our home system: How good it is?


My music sound philosophy/reference is the live music/event that unfortunately I can’t mimic on my system or in any other audio system that I heard. I always say that the very best we can achieve is to be nearer to the recording and even this target is a little “ elusive “ to get for say the least.

Through my audio life I heard a lot of different audio systems: I heard it on audio shows, on dealer rooms and on home people’s systems.

With out any doubt the best audio system performances that I already experienced were/are on home systems where I learn several subjects ( including the people music sound priorities ) and one-two of them are the in deep care in the SET UP of each link on the whole audio chain ( including room ). Some of high price systems that I heard it are not very good because its “ lesser “ care on the each link SET UP.

I want to share with all of you my latest experiences that I had 2-3 weeks ago when I visit some audio friends on USA.
I was exposed to 7 different home systems and I share with you my thoughts on only 4 of those home audio systems that I consider have nothing less but top/first rate performance and where I really enjoy the music.

First than all I want to say that all those audio friends were very gentle and with a very high sense on hospitality: thank you in deep to every one for that I really appreciate it in every way including your very value time that you take/give me.

The best subject during my visit to each one of those great people was to know/meet them: meet people with an in deep knowledge on music ( music lovers more than hardware lovers.), with in deep audio experiences, with in deep know how on their each priorities, with in deep care on whole room-system SET UP, with a great software, with an open mind to share and to accept different points of view, with in deep understanding that there are no perfect systems, with a “ humility “ attitude that it is a must to have to grow-up and with the enjoy “ feeling “ of music listening.

This was a very rare opportunity that I enjoy it and that I know I was so lucky about: Thank you again to all of you!!!!

In no order of preference here it is:

HOUSTON: Fred’s place with a dedicated audio room. Acapella big Triolon speakers, Einstein front end electronics, Rockport/Titan i analog rig, Nordost, JC-1s amps, etc.

When the first music note comes from this system you know that it is something special and after a few minutes you forgot about the hardware and start to enjoy fully the software ( either analog/digital ).
The system is so easy to transmit the music “ feelings/emotions “ and let that the sound/music flow directly to your mind.

Those Triorlon are really great and my hat off to Acapella people because they blend three different speaker drivers in an almost perfect mix. I don’t like ( but the immediacy ) horns ( I heard many of them ) and the Triorlon’s has two of them in the midrange frequency range and I have to say that these horns are the lower horn-signature that I ever heard, the mid bass/bass are moving coil drivers and the Plasma tweeter is ( probably ) the speaker star but with out saying “ I’m here “, like I say almost perfect driver blend.

BOISE: Steve’s place with a dedicated audio room. MBL 111 speakers, custom made Berning’s monoblock amplifiers, Technics SP10 MK3 with a Steve self design/build gorgeous plinth with Schroeder Reference tonearm and strain gauge cartridge/front end by Soundsmith and Lyra Olimpos.

This was my three time that I heard MBL speakers and my first time on a home system: what a difference!!!!, these system/speakers are so near the real music that, like in Fred’s system, the only think that you want is to hear music and more music: LP after LP and again!!!!

Those custom made amplifiers are very good match to the MBL’s and has the lower coloration of tube-signature amplifier I ever heard. I know that the MBL speakers are not easy/friendly with tube electronics and in this system everything is on target, of course that Steve’s hand on this count a lot for that.

I experienced here two different quality performance sound: the Soundsmith one ( that is good ) and a MC cartridge one. I have to say that the Soundsmith rig was only 20-30 hours from new and even Steve was “ playing “ with the set-up. Anyway IMHO that day the Lyra quality performance was way better and I enjoy it for many hours. With this MC cartridge things ( great things ) come out specially the non-sense audio system: disappear!, I had only the LP music performance: great performances.

DALLAS: Louis’s place with a dedicated audio room. Kharma Exquisite 1A speakers, CAT’s monobloks ( new ones: 30 hours on it. ), Lamm/Aesthetix front end electronics, Garrad 301/Triplanar/Xv-1and Technics SP-10MK3/SME/Air Tight both with a custom made wood plinths and the 301 with a custom made power supply.

First thing you note at Loui’s place is that huge room, the biggest I ever know ( maybe 2.3 times the Steve or Fred ones that are big. ) in a home stereo system.

Here I think that the stars are those 550 pound each speakers and its room good integration ( not an easy task ). Like the other systems this one is different but really good. This is my second time hearing Kharma speakers and I have to say that are very very good performers.

The whole sound is a refined/sophisticated one where you or anyone are asking for more, not more quality but more time to heard/hear and enjoy music. I was surprised by the 301 rig quality performance ( where I know very well the XV-1 quality. ): first rate, I can’t hear any coloration that I can/could say: “ that’s was the 301 “.

As good as I heard that system Louis told me that through his Lamm amplifiers ( SE 15-18 watts ) the quality of the system’s sound is a step higher!!, unfortunately I can’t hear it with these amplifiers. Anyway a pleasure to hear it on the Cats.

SAN DIEGO: Mark’s place with out a dedicated audio room ( the system belongs to the sitting room ). Revel speakers, Threshold amplifier, Hovland front end electronics and Raven/Triplanar/Ruby 2.

It seems the “ modest “ system on the group but a top quality performer where we know immediately the very hard work that Mark made to achieve that high quality performance. I know very well the Ruby 2 and in this system is something to hear.
Here there is no single “ star “ but a very good set up of audio items group that sounds a lot better that some very high price systems that I heard, money means nothing at all with out whole/overall knowledge.

As different as are all these audio system all them share common things: system whole synergy, when you heard it you know everything is there ( soundstage, good tonal balance, inner detail, transparent, fast response, dynamics, etc, etc, ), nothing is telling you “ I’m here “ ( very well balance ), sounds good with different kind of music and at different SPL levels, you can heard it for many hours and enjoy every minute, etc, etc.

Are these audio system “ perfect “ ?, certainly not: nothing is. Their owners ( all of them ) already know that they have “ land “ to improve and more important that this fact is that all them know where to improve.

Something to “ ask “ to these systems?, well as you know I’m for full range ( octave to octave ) audio systems and if I put really exigent then I can say that all these system “ miss “ the last bass octave/half octave. This bass octave is system/room dependent and speaker design specification dependent: non of those speakers were designed to achieve that low bass frequency range with the same high quality of the other frequency ranges.
Anyway I can say that I never feel the necessity of that bass octave during all those many hours of music pleasure hearing all those audio systems.

It is a nice thing to learn, through other home audio system listening experiences, if what we have at home is in the right “ road “ and this fact help all of us to grow up in the quest of home audio music sound reproduction heaven.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
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Dear Newbee: I can say that I never try it. Please test it and let us know your experiences about an add on the video!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Yes, I used the Audio Physic method of speaker placement very effectively when long wall placement was afforded to me in a very small room. The chair was about 1.5 ft out from the wall and my head maybe 6" further when I sat in it for a total of about 2 ft. With proper absorption on the back wall (as well as treatments in other areas) I was able to get very good sound.

You'll see a lot of debate on speaker placement and listening position over on Audio Asylum (Rives Forum). As Raul mentioned this certainly will influence the sound, but as always there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Dear Goldeneraguy: Nice to know that somethings of what I post/posted are/were useful to you.

I really appreciate your humility to share it with us.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I know that almost everyone of us are in constant " movement " looking for a quality improvement in our home audio system and between other subjects there are at least three things that are very important for to know what we can/could achieve about are: to attend as too much we can to live music events and try to hear as much other home audio systems we can and maybe more important that some other people attend to hear your/our home system.
In all cases with a full open mind and with out any pre-conceived/judge .
The third not to be " married " for ever to any single audio item/link in our system thinking that it is " perfect " because nothing is perfect.

When we attend to hear other people audio systems or when they come to hear ours our attitude ( open and positive ) is very important to grow up:

+++++ " thanks for the candid comments/criticism which you offered at my home. Too often visitors are fast to praise but reluctant to offer honest criticism... " +++++

+++++ " Thank you for your honesty in judging my system Raul. I agree with Fcrowder when he says that many listeners will praise your system when they don't necessarily mean it either because they don't have the experience, the right software, or because they are afraid of offending you... " +++++

Over the years I had and have many experiences about of almost any kind and one of the last ones could help to understand that subject:

during my trip I visit a person ( other that the ones mentioned here ) that owns a 140K+ audio system with top names all around and where any one expect to hear something of first rate quality music sound reproduction and that's exactly what I was looking for.
Well he put some Lp's different tracks and what I heard was a good sound but not music at all, the system sound was lifeless and I comment this with the person ( very bad move from my part ) who told me that one of the audio items was almost new and with " only " 240 hours of play, I take this explanation but makes me no sense because of what I was hearing.
After 15-20 minutes we start to hearing the system I note that the right channel had a lower gain that the left one ( with the volume in the same position for both channels ) and I comment on it and he give me an explanation about SPL differences due to its home roof, this explanation does not make sense to me so I ask for hear a CD and see what happen, well with the CD everything ( gain on both channels ) was fine and this confirm that the phono stage was faulty: the subject here is that this person ( and his audio friends ) till that day never take notice of this gain problem. He was surprised about and his only comment was " to compensate that gain difference through the preamp volume position ".

I insist on the lifeless system sound and that comment helps because he made two changes in the " new " audio item that made a little better the system sound reproduction. Then I ask which was the value of the load impedance in the phono stage for his cartridge and he give me the value that IMHO was too high and I told him to change at 100 Ohms, he did it and he like it better, but even with those changes the lifeless system sound reproduction still there.

This person was extremely angry with my comments ( that I give to him trying to help: nothing more. ) and I try to calm him explain it some of the problems ( and I give some answers/solutions about ) that he has all over his system where he has a lot of " land " to improve the quality reproduction of the system.
One of the big problems in that expensive audio system is that the signal pass through several differents stages that IMHO are too much, example: the cartridge signal pass ( at least ) for 22 stages before goes out of the preamp where in each one of those stages the signal suffer a degradation ( distortions/noise/colorations ) on different ways an at different levels, that audio system is full of caps and transformers where the signal pass through even he told me with a conceit attitude that in the " new " item are 14 teflon caps!!!.
IMHO I think that he has that lifeless sound system not only because the signal pass over 60+ different stages on it but because his own attitude and closed mind and because even that he has audio experience his knowledge is really low ( he thinks is at the top ).

I already posted several times: HUMILITY is a must to have attitude to grow up on our audio hobby.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: ++++ " You are so right about high end audio performance and "synergy" in a system. Choice of components, set-up, wires, speaker placement in a non-dedicated room are paramount in what an audio system will reproduce " +++++

SYNERGY is an easy word, hard to achieve and with several " roads ".

Synergy always help to improve the quality sound reproduction in an audio system if we understand what does mean " synergy ".

For professional reviewers MF/AD and the like and for some people synergy means to compensate an audio item/system distortion with other audio item distortion, that's it adding distortion to another distortion.
That's why you can read on reviews or some posts on Agon something like this: " if your system/speakers are on a bright side plese don't use this cartridge/cable/amp/etc that it is on the bright side too. "

So those people/reviewers determined that that cartridge/cable/amp/etc that they are evaluating is " bright " with out think that maybe that audio item is really neutral/transparent/accurate and it is showing a trouble ( bright ) somewhere in the main audio system other than the evaluated item it self.

This remember me what an audio friend made when he change his system speakers for a new ones ( 40K+ ) and he determined that the new speakers had a problem ( does not sound good enough ) due to its active crossover and decided to change it by it self with out take in count that with " one finger " ( that change ) he modified every speaker designer's single targets/effort ( frequency response, IMD, filter slopes, phase response, overall voicing, etc, etc ), why this person can't think that maybe the trouble was somewhere in other link system chain?: big mistake and we have to learn from these kind of mistakes: I have to say that sometime I made/make mistakes and learn from it.

So, I'm against compensation trying to have system synergy, IMHO synergy means ( other things the same ) subjects like: tonearm/cartridge matching, speaker/amplifier impedance matching, preamp/amplifier impedance matching, speaker/cable/amp matching, cartridge/load impedance matching, etc, etc, where I'm looking for lower distortion/lower noise/lower colorations/accuracy/etc/etc.
A mistmatch on preamp/amp impedance increment the distortions/colorations, example: an amp with an input impedance of 600 Ohms is a " pain in the ass " for any single preamp out there, you have to take extremely care the right preamp with the right impedance for that low impedance input amplifier.

Sometimes we have un-matched items because of non know how an example of this was what I " live " in the audio system of that guy with is " new " audio item ( my last post here ) where he mate the wrong tonearm/cartridge each other ( I don't know if he bought the tonearm or the cartridge first ) but he think is right.

Btw, he is using a long ( 12" ) tonearm and when I ask him why he choose a long one his answer was something that till today I can't understand: " because the TT was designed for long tonearms ", well I know very well that TT and there is nothing that can/could tell you that was designed for long tonearms, the only reason about: poor know how.

That's why I say that synergy is an easy word but hard to achieve, we not only have to have experience, time, money but in deep know how and because of all these subjects is that I give all my respect and " hat off " not only to those four people systems named here but other people like: Spencer, Joe, Doug, Tim; Ctm, Dennis, Desmond, Lim, Bill and some others that I forget their names ( sorry for this ).

So, try to achieve synergy ( lesser mistakes and better trade-offs. ) on your system!!!

regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.